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Old 02-03-2020, 10:01 AM   #121
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Just trying to minimize the need for en-route repairs by picking the best combination. Not looking for perfection. Thanks for your input.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:08 AM   #122
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I, 2nd Sailboat.

There is a hand full of vessels on TF that are blue water worthy boats, not to mention the costs of a certain vessel! Cant imagine the funding of maintenance and or spare parts needed.

There is a very good long Thread on TF comparing the big 3 manufacturers Fleming, Nordhaven, Krogen. Some real good information from some of the bigger vessel guys.

It makes you really check your bank account $, and puts a price I think on everyone’s dreams of the blue water.

Also as previously mentioned the mental place you have to be to pull this type of voyage off.....

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Old 02-03-2020, 11:29 AM   #123
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"There is a hand full of vessels on TF that are blue water worthy boats, not to mention the costs of a certain vessel! Cant imagine the funding of maintenance and or spare parts needed."


Not so, simplicity costs less than massive complexity .OK you wont be able to check the black tank temperature from 2,000miles away , but its a feature most can live without.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:31 PM   #124
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"There is a hand full of vessels on TF that are blue water worthy boats, not to mention the costs of a certain vessel! Cant imagine the funding of maintenance and or spare parts needed."


Not so, simplicity costs less than massive complexity .OK you wont be able to check the black tank temperature from 2,000miles away , but its a feature most can live without.
This is like Lindberg crossing the Atlantic in the Spirit of St. Louis. You may be able to get away with "simplicity" once as the odds are in your favor, but almost nobody wants to cross the Atlantic multiple times, in a single engine altitude limited plane, where you can't see ahead of you without sticking your head out the window. Sooner or later the law of averages (and Murphy) catch up with "simplicity", often eliminating them.

Wonder how many people have disappeared crossing oceans in the last 75 years on <75' pleasure boats? Probably no way of knowing since most just never arrive.

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Old 02-03-2020, 02:41 PM   #125
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Agree 100%. So nice to have room all around the engine to work. If you cruise inshore or ICW one engine will work. Towing services are very reasonable. Always had membership, even when I had dual outboard on a center console.
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Old 02-03-2020, 03:43 PM   #126
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Sport fishers have twins
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Old 02-03-2020, 03:46 PM   #127
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Mr. JV. Welcome aboard.
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Old 02-03-2020, 03:48 PM   #128
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Greetings,
Mr. O-d. ONE thing I don't recall being mentioned but I may have missed it is BUDGET. Ballpark, how much are you looking to spend on buying a vessel?
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Old 02-03-2020, 03:59 PM   #129
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We own two trawlers. One is a single the other is a twin . We love them both. The twin is currently in Mex. The single is used to cruise the west coast (US). The redundancy of the twin is an advantage for us in Mex. No Boat US or USCG if you have mechanical issues . My reply to your question. You need to decide how your going to use the boat. Both have lots of pluses and some negatives.
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Thank you all. Was time to chime in. I have twin diesel power. When we Talk about space to do maintenance. I feel the pain. Is so important. We look at everything else but...
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That’s 100 correct. Where you go is critical ��
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Old 02-03-2020, 04:13 PM   #132
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And the answer is:42

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Yes it was decided recently. A major vote of every boater in the country. All aspects of the choice were fully discussed and debated. Facts and figures were fed into a computer and analyzed. Thousands of images and incidents were considered.

The vote was overwhelmingly almost unanimous.

If I remember correctly:
Single Engine is the choice of discriminating boaters worldwide.

(But then my memory isn't very good or reliable)

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And the answer is.... 42
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Mr. 1964. Welcome aboard. 42? You'll fit right in!


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Why should there be a decision? What do you prefer? Answer this question and you will have your decision.

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Old 02-03-2020, 07:39 PM   #136
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Hereís an observation I have made during MY 30 ish years of boating at my marina.

The guys with twin engine seem to be more lackadaisical on maintenance. They seem more apt to wait for one to fail before they replace things such as impellers tune ups etc. Hence they need twins.

I talking mostly gas engines.

The ones with single have a greater tendency to be pro active on maintenance changing things before they fail cause they canít afford to break down out there. Hence the one engine is reliable.



My observations only. Iím sure thereís other observations and opinions.



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I agree it all depends on the engine make. I had a 680 hp Fairbanks OP 8 cylinder in my 95 footer commercial boat. I even changed 8 pistons on the bottom crank 180 miles out on George''s Bank in 12 to 18 foot seas. Spent more time chasing tools in the bilge than working on the engine.
We carried piston rings, enjectors, belts, chain sprockets, clutch plates and more. So I guess I just made up my mind. Twenty years with a single...why change now? By the way still looking for my next boat.
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I agree it all depends on the engine make. I had a 680 hp Fairbanks OP 8 cylinder in my 95 footer commercial boat. I even changed 8 pistons on the bottom crank 180 miles out on George''s Bank in 12 to 18 foot seas. Spent more time chasing tools in the bilge than working on the engine.
We carried piston rings, enjectors, belts, chain sprockets, clutch plates and more. So I guess I just made up my mind. Twenty years with a single...why change now? By the way still looking for my next boat.


THAT is a great story. Too rough to fish, might as well major the prime mover
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Actually we were fishing. We lost power and couldn't tow the net at proper speed. Couldn't get more than 950 RPM out of the 1275 max
Ended steaming home because we couldn't find the problem, thinking it was a cracked piston. Turned out it was after we took the top cover off the engine at the dock. Found a crack in one of the upper pistons. Lost compression equals lost power. Took 30 hours to get in. I got a ton of stories like this. Have a great night!
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Mr. O-d. ONE thing I don't recall being mentioned but I may have missed it is BUDGET. Ballpark, how much are you looking to spend on buying a vessel?
Well, right now, I am looking (again) at the Bertram LRC 58' version late '70s to 1980 versions. running from $275K to $395K.

This model displaces 90K # plus or minus. Some that I have seen are powered by 4-71s of 160hp (.56 hp/ci) and others by 6-71s of 175hp (.41 hp/ci). Very low specific outputs for both.

Is that enough hp for 90K # to cruise economically 7-8kts without over-stressing power plant?
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