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Old 07-27-2017, 09:17 AM   #21
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Unless things have changed in the last two years I don't think you can get a new Lugger. When the latest round of emission standards came out Lugger decided that they could not meet them at an appropriate cost. So stopped making their marinized engines.

This all as per Lugger Bob. Again this was about two years ago so things may have changed.
Not disagreeing, but if you go to the Nordhavn web site, they still list the 56MS as an active product and the specs say it comes with a Lugger 1066T. Perhaps this is just old marketing information as I doubt if they have built one in awhile. But it is certainly an interesting boat with 17,000 lbs of ballast and steadying sails. Cardude would love it!
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Go with what you know. This thread is an example that if you ask 10 boat owners what is the best engine, you will get 12 different answers.

Nordhavn is one of a few trawler manufacturers that give you a choice of engine brand. As a retired trucker that knows Cats, then that is the best engine for you. As a retired farmer, I love my John Deere.

You might find this blog interesting Nordhavn – MV Dirona
They have over 9000 hours on a JD.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:28 AM   #23
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He made it clear he knew that but didn't know of a comparable boat built in the US.

As to Deere and Lugger, you couldn't find a more reputable and dependable engine nor one more widely serviced or with greater parts availability.
Misread. My bad.

No argument on Deere or Lugger.
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The lugger is 165 hp. The smallest marine engine CAT offers is a 340 hp commercial engine. Not exactly a slide in replacement.
Other companies can and do marinise smaller cats just like they do with Nissan, kubota, cummins, Isuzu etc etc

Luggers are not a lugger engine.
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You might find this blog interesting Nordhavn – MV Dirona
They have over 9000 hours on a JD.
9000 hours is bugger all on a half decent diesel engine.
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They are BUILT in China, but owned by PAE over in Dana Point. An American company. So profits come here.
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I have twin Lugger turbo charged 174hps.

5K on them and plan on them being around for a looooooog time!
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Other companies can and do marinise smaller cats just like they do with Nissan, kubota, cummins, Isuzu etc etc

Luggers are not a lugger engine.
No Luggers are John Deere, at least those I've had. However, CAT still doesn't have an engine in that size range from themselves or anyone else and we weren't talking Nissan, Kubota, Cummins, or Isuzu. The OP was specifically wanting CAT. You certainly could put a CAT but to what benefit. I think the real problem was the OP wasn't knowledgeable or comfortable with Lugger/Deere.
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However, CAT still doesn't have an engine in that size range from themselves or anyone else .
Yes they do
As low as 13hp approx


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Many of those engines are not made by Cat, but rebranded from other mfr's.

Little ones for sure are something like Shibaura. Others, not sure. I think the C15 and above are made by Cat.
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I was referring to marinized by themselves or others. I'm not aware of any, but you may be. If so, please share.
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I don't think I would pine for any Cat engine in the sub 500hp class. Unless they have some offering I don't know about.

I always assumed this is why they acquired Perkins
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Many of those engines are not made by Cat, but rebranded from other mfr's.

Little ones for sure are something like Shibaura. Others, not sure. I think the C15 and above are made by Cat.
Aren't the C9.3 and C12 also? I don't know, so just asking. The C12 for commercial use starts at 340 hp and is the lowest hp I'm aware of for marine propulsion. C9 starts at 375 hp but is not Tier III compliant.
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At the risk of a detour, why a motor sailor? Why not just a trawler of your chosen brand? An MS strikes me as neither here nor there.
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An MS strikes me as neither here nor there.
But it's somewhere.

My concern about a motor sailor is the expenses of a trawler and of a sail boat.
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I was referring to marinized by themselves or others. I'm not aware of any, but you may be. If so, please share.
This was my earlier point that you missed.
Many diesel engines are not marinised by the manufacturer, doesnt mean the cant be marinised by other firms and used in boats.

I have seen small marinised under 75hp cats in Australia.
Probably done by Diecon engineering or Zenith engineering.
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Many of those engines are not made by Cat, but rebranded from other mfr's..
Sure, but still sold as cats.
Same as cummins /komatsu
Same as lugger/John Deere.
Beta/kubota
Nanni/Kubota
Vetus/Hyundai

People on various forums swear that lugger are the best engine ever when they don't have a lugger - they have a JD.
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You should get an Acadia AD30, 6cyl 100hp. Well wait, I am the only one in this universe to have one oops

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But it's somewhere.

My concern about a motor sailor is the expenses of a trawler and of a sail boat.
Running cost could offset the maintenance costs. And if there is a mechanical breakdown you have your back up right there. Important for many people.
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