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Old 06-10-2021, 06:40 PM   #21
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The dripping slag is another issue. First the boat was sinking so light a handheld flare. Now the sinking boat is on fire...
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:01 AM   #22
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Many RVers appreciate getting old hand held flares.
I carry a few in case of a road side breakdown and they make great fire starters.
It is an opportunity to have someone light it that has never handled one. We did an end of year marina cook out every year and used them as a training aid for those that have never handled them.
When the local USPS / ABC Chapter does a training session its an easy task to alert the closest USCG station of a training class, date, time and GPS coordinates.
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Old 06-11-2021, 06:43 AM   #23
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If the flares still work, firing them into the water will get rid of them, but if they don't work, they still present a danger until you can properly dispose of them.
Go down to beach snd shoot into the water. We typically bring wife and or kids down with us so they get more comfortable shooting. (Educational opportunity.)

Never saw a kid not love to do it lol
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Old 06-11-2021, 07:26 AM   #24
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Go down to beach snd shoot into the water. We typically bring wife and or kids down with us so they get more comfortable shooting. (Educational opportunity.)

Never saw a kid not love to do it lol
Check with the police and USCG first.
Hate to have the educational experience to include daddy getting hauled off to jail, in front of the kids.
Plus you will attract other unrelated kids, 'wanting to do it too.'
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:19 AM   #25
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Next time you have a campfire just drop them into the fire. Not 40 at once but five or six at a time. They burn nicely. No outrage or explosion, they just burn.

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Old 06-11-2021, 09:25 AM   #26
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Next time you have a campfire just drop them into the fire. Not 40 at once but five or six at a time. They burn nicely. No outrage or explosion, they just burn.

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even the orion 12 gauge? That would be good to know
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Old 06-11-2021, 09:39 AM   #27
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even the orion 12 gauge? That would be good to know
Ive burnt them (not intentionally, lol). The 12 gauge flares version. They do not explode, but some of mine gave a pop and they jumped a foot or so.

I guess I am saying don’t burn them in your indoor fireplace. Lol
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:37 PM   #28
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use them up on the 4th of july
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:38 PM   #29
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We asked members of our Boat Club to gather all expired flares. We arranged with the local Coast Guard and Local Polices Departments that during our Boat Club meeting we would hold a training session, on the beach, on lighting and shooting up flares. Most members had never experience lighting a flare. Our event was well attended and everyone was able to experience shooting off flares.
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You know "that guy" on the next pier over that always plays loud, crappy music and gets drunk all the time? The next time he's vomiting on the pier go and put them in his bbq pit.
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You can use the electronic signals, there are a couple of brands now, in lieu of the pyrotechnic flares. Before we retired from the CG Auxiliary our boats were acG facilities. The CG would not allow us to carry flares that were beyond 5 years past their expiration. They were believed to be unstable and apparently there had been cases of them hurting some people. We have VHF, cell phones and PLBs if we get into trouble. It is a PITA to keep buying flares as they expire and then trying to find a place to dispose of the old ones. So I have stopped carrying the pyrotechnic signals.
It is my understanding that the electronic "flares" are only good for night use. You still need pyrotechnic for daytime requirements.
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It is my understanding that the electronic "flares" are only good for night use. You still need pyrotechnic for daytime requirements.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:54 PM   #33
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Flare Disposal

Fire Department recommendation is to soak the flares in a bucket of water for 24 hours then dispose as trash.
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Old 06-14-2021, 12:57 PM   #34
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Outdated Flares

I keep a good number of them in a separate water tight box. The many rescue stories I have read over the years indicates that catching the attention of a passing boat or vessel most often requires a number of flares. The out-of-date flares provide that needed redundancy. I test one from each batch of old flares and I have never had one not light.

Of course, you can always buy 20 new flares and discard the old ones. Don't forget that the flares that are really visible are the SOLAS Parachute Flares. They cost $80 each at West. The handheld SOLAS flares cost $40. I have one parachute and two handheld on board in addition to the typical yacht 12 ga flares. It is an arbitrary number governed by my pocketbook more than anything.

Compare the specs for the SOLAS and the 12 ga: SOLAS parachute flares ascend to more than 1,000' and burn at a dazzling 30,000 candela for 40 seconds. Non-SOLAS USCG flares typically found on recreational boats, such as pistol-fired 12-gauge flares, which at 16,000 candlepower for 7 seconds and reach 500'
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We keep a back log of expired flares on board as the Coast Guard has told us they last years past their printed expiration date and having extras is always a good thing. In addition to the 10 or so "current" flare cartridges, we probably keep about 30 flares that are expired and rotate out the oldest ones each time we purchase a new pack.
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Old 06-14-2021, 01:44 PM   #36
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Lou is right. Just bring them to the local FD for free, safe disposal. Would note we keep a current in date set. A second out of date set and a third set goes to the FD. Same thing with boat shoes. Boat only becomes marina and dock which become land and then gets tossed. Rotate them down the steps.
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This problem started when pyrotechnics first were required on recreational vessels in the US about forty or fifty years ago. Then the 12ga pistol type were about $2 each. Though not required then I always carried them onboard. Immediately the price went $10+ each. These are nothing more than under-powered 12ga shotgun rounds. You can buy box of 20 fully charged ones $29.95, or at least you could have until the gun-control crowd took over.
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Outdated Flares

In Canada there is no requirement to get rid of out-dated flares. The law requires that at least some of flares aboard to be within within 4 years of manufacture. Use the old flares first!
Not sure I'd keep flares older than 10 years though.
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Old 06-14-2021, 02:48 PM   #39
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June 12th at Trotac with all of 4 days notice

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I came across the annual CPS select location places to get rid of old flares. Once again I will not be anywhere near these locations. posted in case you are.
https://www.cps-ecp.ca/events/safety...sposal-days-2/

Anyone have BC lower mainland or Gulf Island locations & dates for disposal.

Or do we wait for July 4th.

The ongoing flare disposal is a problem that calls for change. CPS sent out notice all of 4 days ahead of Saturday's flare disposal date. I managed to get rid of several years worth but it also required a special trip out to the marina due to the short notice.


I would be willing to bet that there has not been an actual test to challenge the 1 year expiry set for flares for perhaps 40-50 years, simply DoT leaving the regulations unexamined. C.I.L. doesn't mind as it creates a market requirement that has them charge $12+ per flare.
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The ongoing flare disposal is a problem that calls for change. CPS sent out notice all of 4 days ahead of Saturday's flare disposal date. I managed to get rid of several years worth but it also required a special trip out to the marina due to the short notice.


I would be willing to bet that there has not been an actual test to challenge the 1 year expiry set for flares for perhaps 40-50 years, simply DoT leaving the regulations unexamined. C.I.L. doesn't mind as it creates a market requirement that has them charge $12+ per flare.
My annual problem is that the dates chosen conflict. That said one downtown location for lower mainland means a special trip on the one day. I was looking for the remote chance of one being held not well advertised. But it does not look like it. Fire has not taken them for years.

Saturday, June 26, 2021
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Since we all keep these things on our boats I do not understand why they cannot be turned in at any other times. Spontaneous combustion?
I would like to see organized shoots as well for practice
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