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01-22-2021, 06:34 AM
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Senior Member
City: New Orleans
Vessel Name: Stella
Vessel Model: Seaton 56
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 272
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US Coast Guard 'Alarmed' By Mariners Turning Off AIS
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01-22-2021, 07:46 AM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Crabbers keeping their spots secret?
Can't you see their spots - they have numbered pot buoys!
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01-22-2021, 07:47 AM
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Senior Member
City: Punta Gorda, Fl
Vessel Name: Pipe Dream
Vessel Model: Silverton 42C
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 197
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$35k fine for not keeping big brother informed of your identity and location every moment you're away from dock. Boggles the mind. That's as bad as the FAA's version called ADSb-out. And that's the agency who prides themselves on overreach and unnecessary bureaucracy.
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01-22-2021, 08:06 AM
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#4
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Guru
City: West Coast
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Can't you see their spots - they have numbered pot buoys!
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Out here, many pots snagged by booms have no ID. The crabs are still tasty, but the owner can't be thanked.
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01-22-2021, 08:20 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Think "Deadliest Catch"....even when we searched for crabbers in the Bearing Sea....it took a long time and wasted searches looking for where the missing crabber was working pots.
A $35,000 fine compared to a several hundred thousand in catch difference....maybe not a bad gamble.
But I thought it curious that before AIS....many fishing vessels already had satellite GPS trackers on then so NOAA fisheries could track them....guess back in the early 90's crabbers didn't.
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01-22-2021, 10:29 AM
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#6
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Guru
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,021
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When did having an AIS become a requirement?
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01-22-2021, 10:35 AM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,553
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora
When did having an AIS become a requirement?
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It's not required for pleasure craft, but for some commercial vessels it's required.
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01-22-2021, 10:41 AM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora
When did having an AIS become a requirement?
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Over 65 feet commercial.
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01-22-2021, 11:08 AM
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Guru
City: Duvall, Wa. USA
Vessel Name: Beach Music II
Vessel Model: 2003 Mainship 430 Trawler
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,040
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Commercial vessels, 65 ft or more, WITHIN 12 NAUTICAL MILES OF SHORE. I don't think that covers the middle of the Bering Sea.
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01-22-2021, 11:11 AM
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Guru
City: Bayfield, WI
Vessel Name: Gopher Broke
Vessel Model: Silverton 410 Sport Bridge
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 904
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Interestingly, the primary (US Park Service Authorized) tour boat in the Apostle Islands does NOT operate AIS. Their registered length is 64.8 feet.
For a boat that operates in a manner that is unusual compared to other vessels (in terms of route and speed), and in an area that's subject to fog and sudden storms, it seems irresponsible to operate without it. But, they're not legally required to so it's their choice I guess.
BD
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01-22-2021, 11:20 AM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,005
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Quite a few of the open party and charter sport fishing boats in our area turn their AIS off.
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01-22-2021, 11:26 AM
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#12
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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01-22-2021, 11:43 AM
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#13
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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So a little story about AIS and commercial vessels.
2019 we were heading across the three rapids at Dent Rapids. We were kind of in line with quite a few other boats. This is a narrow passage. Then a 106 ft pleasure boat come barreling up beside my STBD side, maybe 30 feet from my boat at pretty much full throttle. Rolled us and other boats a lot.
I tried calling him on the VHF, no answer. He had no AIS transmitting. I did notice the name "Mixer" Sitka Alaska. I found out later that the owner of the boat was using it as a Charter out of Sitka. Later I had a few choice words with the owner.
This year she has a new Captain, a guy I know. When I told him about the above adventure he laughed. "Tom, why do you think he is no longer the Captain. You and several other folks had run in with the way Mixer was being operated." Owner didn't like the bad press.
So here is an example of a Recreational/Charter not turning on his AIS. He was also suppose to enter the VTS system and he did not.
https://www.charterworld.com/index.h...ter=mixer-4802
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01-22-2021, 12:08 PM
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#14
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Guru
City: Centreville MD
Vessel Name: Resilient
Vessel Model: Helmsman Trawlers 38E
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,510
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Politics is not the thing to do here, but on this one its part of the answer methinks. I'll make the point briefly and shut up.
In response to the cancel culture thing going on, you have to have seen there is a backlash where many are just tuning out of anything tracked. Just in anger. Encrypted message apps have skyrocketed among people who do nothing more with them than to schedule lunch plans.
If this simple observation of fact is still too much for the board, I'll apologize up front and ask the mods to delete the post. I'm not trying to pick fights on this.
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01-22-2021, 02:02 PM
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#15
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 2,005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FWT
Politics is not the thing to do here, but on this one its part of the answer methinks. I'll make the point briefly and shut up.
In response to the cancel culture thing going on, you have to have seen there is a backlash where many are just tuning out of anything tracked. Just in anger. Encrypted message apps have skyrocketed among people who do nothing more with them than to schedule lunch plans.
If this simple observation of fact is still too much for the board, I'll apologize up front and ask the mods to delete the post. I'm not trying to pick fights on this.
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Give me a break; equating AIS tracking and cancel culture? Stick with boating when you are on TF and take your political opinions to a different website devoted to your ideas of thinking.
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01-22-2021, 02:09 PM
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#16
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,487
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01-22-2021, 02:39 PM
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#17
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Guru
City: West Coast
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
So a little story about AIS and commercial vessels. Then a 106 ft pleasure boat come barreling up beside my STBD side. He had no AIS transmitting.
So here is an example of a Recreational/Charter not turning on his AIS. He was also suppose to enter the VTS system and he did not.
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Question really is; was Mixer required to be transmitting AIS?
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01-22-2021, 02:48 PM
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#18
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 11,682
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Quote:
Originally Posted by soin2la
Question really is; was Mixer required to be transmitting AIS?
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I think so.
Effective March 2nd, 2015, certain commercially self-propelled vessels must have a properly installed, operational Automatic Identification System (AIS) no later than March 1st, 2016. The following vessels are required to install and use a Class A AIS transponder:
All commercial vessels of 65 feet or more in length (except as defined below)
Towing vessels of 26 feet or more in length and more than 600 horsepower
...Passenger vessels that are 65 feet or more and certificated to carry less than 150 passengers but operate in a Vessel Traffic Service area or at speeds in excess of 14 knots...
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01-22-2021, 03:01 PM
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#19
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Guru
City: West Coast
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
I think so.
Effective March 2nd, 2015, certain commercially self-propelled vessels must have a properly installed, operational Automatic Identification System (AIS) no later than March 1st, 2016. The following vessels are required to install and use a Class A AIS transponder:
All commercial vessels of 65 feet or more in length (except as defined below)
Towing vessels of 26 feet or more in length and more than 600 horsepower
...Passenger vessels that are 65 feet or more and certificated to carry less than 150 passengers but operate in a Vessel Traffic Service area or at speeds in excess of 14 knots...
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Yes, all that’s understood, but post 13 describes Mixer as commercial, pleasure, recreational and charter. USCG shows her as “Pleasure.”
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01-22-2021, 03:12 PM
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#20
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Guru
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,021
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My son is in the Merchant Marine...the captain of the vessel has the option of turning the AIS off when the safety of the vessel is in question, i.e. Straits of Hormuz, coast of Somalia, etc.
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