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Old 07-15-2020, 01:46 PM   #1
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Flare Disposal

Finally! This seems like a good idea.
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Old 07-15-2020, 02:02 PM   #2
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I used to have this same flare disposal problem in Sweden. I solved it by telling the marine store where I buy my flares that I would only place my $200 flare order with them if they took my old flares back. Miraculously, they said yeah, we’ll send them in one of our shipments of old stock back to the manufacturer. They do this every time for me. :-)
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Nice idea but it will be so limited in areas that it won’t be much use to the majority of boaters. Too bad this isn’t like Sweden...
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If you can find any campers, RVers that like campfires the normal hand held flares make great fire starters.
The orange smoke ones... not so much!
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Subscribed. Been wondering why I am storing flares I would never have time to use.
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If you can find any campers, RVers that like campfires the normal hand held flares make great fire starters.
The orange smoke ones... not so much!
And hope that rocket/parachute flares don’t get mixed up in the bunch going to to the campers!
Seriously, aren’t there a zillion regulations about lighting emergency flares in anything other than an emergency?
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Seriously, aren’t there a zillion regulations about lighting emergency flares in anything other than an emergency?
I'm sure you are correct and as usual LEO can quote all kinds of regs re what you can't do!
But they dont have a clue what you Can do to get rid of them?
Maybe BoatUS can lobby to make it a requirement that anyone selling flares HAS to take old ones in for proper disposal. And likely disposal will only cost the the same as purchasing new!
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Old 07-15-2020, 03:55 PM   #8
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If it works in Florida the program can be expanded nation wide. The incinerator would show up at every major boat show so you just save up your flares until you go to a boat show. It might not help everyone but I think a lot of boaters would take advantage of it.
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A camper lighting a campfire with a flare isn't even remotely going to be setting off an emergency device. No one will know it is anything but a road flare.

Obviously you don't use a smoke or aerial flare.

I have done it countless times, never an issue. Even the occasional orange smoke is gone long before any LEOs show up unless they have a cruiser in the neighborhood.

A possibility is each Sea Tow franchise buys a proper storage container and stores them till the incinerator makes its rounds. I see it very doable if the grant is enough to make it work.
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Here's a better idea--several times in the past few years our club (meaning ME!) set up a Flare Disposal/Demo Day. I picked a location on the bank of the Columbia River, set the date, notified the CG, local fire and police and printed up fliers to post in the boat stores and sporting goods stores. The fire dept even had an ambulance on standby at our location in case of an injury.

It was done in the day time and we had buckets of water to dispose of the flares that had been shot off.

Each of the Demo Days was attended by about 50-75 people and each time we shot off around 250 flares of all shapes, sizes and types. I kept track of the flare types that failed most often and it was the small, hand held flares where you pull the string to ignite it.

It's good PR for your club if you have a club and a good time was had by all who attended.
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.....its a different idea...not necessarily better as there are lots of folks that just aren't always around for flare days or know of them.
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Here's a better idea--several times in the past few years our club (meaning ME!) set up a Flare Disposal/Demo Day. I picked a location on the bank of the Columbia River, set the date, notified the CG, local fire and police and printed up fliers to post in the boat stores and sporting goods stores. The fire dept even had an ambulance on standby at our location in case of an injury.

It was done in the day time and we had buckets of water to dispose of the flares that had been shot off.

Each of the Demo Days was attended by about 50-75 people and each time we shot off around 250 flares of all shapes, sizes and types. I kept track of the flare types that failed most often and it was the small, hand held flares where you pull the string to ignite it.

It's good PR for your club if you have a club and a good time was had by all who attended.


It is a great idea. The CG in San Diego used to take them for disposal but then 9/11 happened and they didn’t want anyone bringing any kind of explosive onto the station. The nice thing about a flare day is that people get to experience setting one off. Most people have never done that so this is a good training event. One caution is that you probably should not use any that are beyond 5 years of their expiration date. According to the CG they are not as stable and there have been incidents where people got hurt using them. How many incidents, they never said but they would not allow them on an Auxiliary facility beyond 5 years out of date.
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This program by Tow Boat is fine as are all of the flare disposal "fairs" setup by local clubs with the USCG's concurrence. All means of disposal are needed to attack the massive numbers of old flares out there. Also fine is disposing of these things in safe areas during the daytime by requiring crew members unfamiliar with the procedure to light up the handheld ones and even shot the aerial ones if only into a pile of dirt just to get the feel of it.
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Better to have an outdated flare that might not work even if one has current flares? More the better?
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Better to have an outdated flare that might not work even if one has current flares? More the better?
I share that sentiment, though I've heard tell of overly aggressive 'safety inspections' citing you for violations if they find ANY expired ones on board. I sort of get why, because they don't want someone in an emergency situation finding anything other than un-expired items.
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I share that sentiment, though I've heard tell of overly aggressive 'safety inspections' citing you for violations if they find ANY expired ones on board. I sort of get why, because they don't want someone in an emergency situation finding anything other than un-expired items.
I have heard this before but have never seen a reference to an actual regulation that states that...
Can you provide a reference??
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I believe there have been suggestions made to separate outdated and current flares.

The laws state what you must have, not what you can't have on your boat. As long as you can meet the law....anything beyond a suggestion seems pretty hollow. I have never heard of a violation by a Coastie.

Now other Leo's? Who knows, they might write a ticket, but I would think it is easily beat in court. If you keep flares separate and only show the required ones...how would they know you have expired ones? I guess there could be local or state laws that prevent the carrying of expired flares, but I have never heard of them.

As far as USCGAUX.....too many personal and second hand stories of "opinion" overriding what is and isnt the law or even generally accepted good practices.
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As far as USCGAUX.....too many personal and second hand stories of "opinion" overriding what is and isnt the law or even generally accepted good practices.
Thanks for confirming.
As far as USCGAUX... That's an understatement. How well we know!
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We just use the 4th of July for "training" using up expired flares.
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You can just drop them on a campfire. They burn but not violently. If you do it at night the smoke grenades are not visible.

Do not burn launch able flares, like those fired from a flare gun.

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