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Old 05-16-2022, 06:41 AM   #1
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Champlain Canal planning

Our trip up the Champlain Canal to Lake Champlain is quickly approaching and wanted to put our potential itinerary out there.

Day 1, Planning on leaving Half Moon Bay Marina early to overnight in Kingston hopefully to get a side tie at the museum.

Day 2, Would like to get to maybe Lock 1 past Troy to tie up for the night. I'm not going to count at space at Waterford although that would be a good choice.

Day 3, Go halfway up the canal to tie to another lock wall, maybe Fort Edward area or a little farther.

Day 4, End at Chipman Point Marina, our slip for the summer.

Those familiar with this trip does this sound like realistic planning and reasonable options?

Anything else I may need to take into consideration? I will be adding more fenders and quality boat hooks onboard. Will drop our mast once we get to the canals, we have 24' airdraft with it up. I do have an anchor but no windlass yet so not planning on anchoring but is available to deploy in case of emergency.
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Old 05-16-2022, 07:11 AM   #2
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I haven't run the numbers on distance, but from what I've looked at in the past that pace sounds definitely do-able. I can't remember what the hours are for the Troy lock, so I'm not sure if running a long day (past 5 PM) is an option to get through there or not.

As far as air draft, if my memory is good you'll make it as far as Waterford before needing to drop the mast (so you can just do it at a night stop). I think you've got 25 feet of clearance up to that point.

Generally we go with ball fenders. 12" ones just below the rub rail, 18" ones just above the water. Works well tying to walls or in locks. Remember, coming into a lock is just docking on a side tie. It looks harder, but it's not.

I've found when going up in the locks we tend to run a line from a midship cleat to a pipe or cable and back to the same cleat whenever possible. We'll often also grab a drop line or something else aft. A few of the NY Canal locks only have drop lines, the Troy lock is pipes and ladders only IIRC. Going down we usually just use the drop lines as it's a much smoother ride so the extra control of a line around a pipe is less necessary (and getting a line around a pipe in a full lock is a pain and would require someone to step off the boat).

I've come to prefer non-extendable boat hooks for locks, as you can push on them hard with no fear of it suddenly sliding collapsed.
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As far as air draft, if my memory is good you'll make it as far as Waterford before needing to drop the mast (so you can just do it at a night stop). I think you've got 25 feet of clearance up to that point.

If it were me I'd drop the mast before Troy. I remember hitting the antenna on my old Mainship on one of the first 2 bridges after the Troy lock.
the 3 times I went that route with the Albin I lowered the mast before Troy just in case.
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As far as air draft, if my memory is good you'll make it as far as Waterford before needing to drop the mast (so you can just do it at a night stop). I think you've got 25 feet of clearance up to that point.

If it were me I'd drop the mast before Troy. I remember hitting the antenna on my old Mainship on one of the first 2 bridges after the Troy lock.
the 3 times I went that route with the Albin I lowered the mast before Troy just in case.
I just checked to confirm. You're good with 25 feet up to the Troy lock. After the Troy lock you've only got 21 feet to Waterford.
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I am following this with great interest as I am going to visit my daughter in Burlington third week of June. I am spending the weekend at Shady Harbor then leaving on the 13th. My air draft is 17" everything up.
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In addition to route planning, read the attached.

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Interesting read, but discharging grey water is not illegal (pg. 6). We are make sure we are aware of what we put down our drains.

My holding tank doesn't have any overboard connections, so we are all set.

Thank for the info.
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Correct, gray water discharge is not illegal despite what is published by some lake organizations.

I agree that ball fenders are preferred as some lock walls have gaps that will swallow a normal fender. We managed ok with regular fenders but balls would be better if you have the choice.

In addition to other things, a couple sets of waterproof work gloves are a definite necessity. The lock walls and lines etc. can be pretty grimy. You may find yourself pushing off the wall with your hands at times or holding onto some slimy lock lines.

When you mention overnighting at a lock wall, I'm not sure that is possible at all locks, depending exactly on what you mean by that. There are a number of town docks/walls along the canal that you can overnight at. Water and electricity are available at some but not all. I assume you already have a cruising guide with these details but if not you should get one. There are also regular marinas in some towns along the canal. We did not anchor once inside the canal. Not sure there are many places with enough room anyway.
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If you want to feel safe / prepared to respond to any questions re gray water discharge print & save a copy of this. Many folks have claimed Lk Champlain is restricted AFA gray water discharge but it is a myth with no legal standing.

The requirement to disconnect any black water overboard discharge is real but have never heard of anyone being checked.Gray Water Research Memo.pdf
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Our trip up the Champlain Canal to Lake Champlain is quickly approaching and wanted to put our potential itinerary out there.

Day 1, Planning on leaving Half Moon Bay Marina early to overnight in Kingston hopefully to get a side tie at the museum.

Day 2, Would like to get to maybe Lock 1 past Troy to tie up for the night. I'm not going to count at space at Waterford although that would be a good choice.

Day 3, Go halfway up the canal to tie to another lock wall, maybe Fort Edward area or a little farther.

Day 4, End at Chipman Point Marina, our slip for the summer.

Those familiar with this trip does this sound like realistic planning and reasonable options?

Anything else I may need to take into consideration? I will be adding more fenders and quality boat hooks onboard. Will drop our mast once we get to the canals, we have 24' airdraft with it up. I do have an anchor but no windlass yet so not planning on anchoring but is available to deploy in case of emergency.
Your plan looks doable.

Last year between up and back, I overnighted at Mechanicsville (electric, water and pumpout), Fort Edwards (electric and water), and Whitehall (electric and water). All were reasonable, and there are other spots. A word of caution: Mechanicsville and Fort Edwards have navigation limitations. It's not difficult to navigate, but you need to understand how to get to the docks, before you get there. Mechanicsville isn't difficult, but don't get to far above or below the public dock (shoal water). Fort Edwards has a channel taking you to the public dock. Honor the floating navigation aids to avoid shoal water.

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Thanks Ted, I'm not planning on Fort Edward on the side channel, but I believe there is another free dock just upriver before the lock. I was thinking the staying at lock 5 just above Schuylerville that looks like a good place to stretch our legs for the night. I did see the Mechhanicville as I good choice also, I saw other notes about the shallow water upstream there.
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We stopped at Schuylerville once and it wasn't bad except for some of the hungriest mosquitos I can remember and they are probably salivating while reading this thread.

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Thanks Ted, I'm not planning on Fort Edward on the side channel, but I believe there is another free dock just upriver before the lock. I was thinking the staying at lock 5 just above Schuylerville that looks like a good place to stretch our legs for the night. I did see the Mechhanicville as I good choice also, I saw other notes about the shallow water upstream there.
The other free dock is after the lock on the west side ( see it on Google maps satellite image). IMO, it looked pretty marginal, low to the water, small cleats, and no electric or water. My fenders would have ridden over the dock. It's probably designed for smaller boats. The other one up the channel is exponentially better.

If you stay above lock 5, there's a nice little dock above the lock that my friends use.

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If stopping in Schuyerville, you might also consider this place:

https://www.theyachtbasin.com/

That was our only overnight stop on the canal and we thought it was a great place. Friendly people and reasonable rates and also a good onsite restaurant and dockside bar/grill. Someone on TF mentioned that it recently changed hands and has declined, but the website and reviews still look positive. Hard to believe that it would not be a good place if you favor a marina.
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If stopping in Schuyerville, you might also consider this place:

https://www.theyachtbasin.com/

That was our only overnight stop on the canal and we thought it was a great place. Friendly people and reasonable rates and also a good onsite restaurant and dockside bar/grill. Someone on TF mentioned that it recently changed hands and has declined, but the website and reviews still look positive. Hard to believe that it would not be a good place if you favor a marina.
I thought early on about getting a seasonal slip there due to the proximity to home and other off boat activities - Saratoga Race Track, Six Flags, Lake George but opted to go to the lake. Also my insurance wanted to have at least one boat registered and docked for primary use in Vermont where we live.

I'm really trying to stay away from docking in close quarters with other boats right now until we get more time in and learn the handling characteristics of the boat.
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I thought early on about getting a seasonal slip there due to the proximity to home and other off boat activities - Saratoga Race Track, Six Flags, Lake George but opted to go to the lake. Also my insurance wanted to have at least one boat registered and docked for primary use in Vermont where we live.

I'm really trying to stay away from docking in close quarters with other boats right now until we get more time in and learn the handling characteristics of the boat.
Sounds good Charlie, whatever works for you. We did not find this marina very crowded and there was no wind or current to deal with because it is in a somewhat secluded basin off of the canal. We were given a side tie to their main dock which seemed common for transients, but not certain. You could always call them. My TF avitar pic was actually taken there.
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Thanks for the insight, I am a fan of the Mexican restaurant just up the street too. Once we get up that far I'm sure we will have a better feel for everything. Marina stops would be handy as our boat isn't really equipped for comfortable off the dock overnights yet ie: refrigeration is 120v, hot water 120v, fresh water pump not on 12v. No boat generator, just a small yamaha inverter gen. So we will basically be camping on the way up. We do have a propane cooktop and 12v lights.

Regardless we are excited to get up to the lake, that will be a major item off the checklist and will give us a big sense of accomplishment.
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That manual is total bull. Lake Champlain is a Federal waterway. The rules are no different than on any other Federal waterway. You DO NOT need to remove any hoses. Just wire tie the valve shut.
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That manual is total bull. Lake Champlain is a Federal waterway. The rules are no different than on any other Federal waterway. You DO NOT need to remove any hoses. Just wire tie the valve shut.
NY Regulation is clear. Maybe you can be a test case. Just claim sovereign citizenship. I assume you ignore all state safety boating regulations on federal waters as well.


§ 33-d. Sanitary facilities aboard crafts on Lake Champlain. It shall
be unlawful for any owner or operator of any craft upon Lake Champlain,
its tributaries or outlets, to operate any craft equipped with a marine
toilet which in any manner discharges sewage into the waters of said
lake, its tributaries or outlets. All marine toilets on any such craft
shall also incorporate or be equipped with a holding tank which can be
carried or pumped ashore for disposal according to the regulations of
local boards of health or county or state health agencies. Any holding
tank designed so as to provide for an optional means of discharge to the
waters on which the craft is operating shall have the discharge openings
sealed shut and any discharge lines, pipes or hoses shall be removed or
disconnected and stored while operating on the waters of said lake, its
tributaries or outlets. Failure to comply with the provisions of this
section shall be a violation punishable by a fine not to exceed two
hundred fifty dollars or by imprisonment of not more than fifteen days
or by both such fine and imprisonment.
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NY Regulation is clear. Maybe you can be a test case. Just claim sovereign citizenship.


§ 33-d. Sanitary facilities aboard crafts on Lake Champlain. It shall
be unlawful for any owner or operator of any craft upon Lake Champlain,
its tributaries or outlets, to operate any craft equipped with a marine
toilet which in any manner discharges sewage into the waters of said
lake, its tributaries or outlets. All marine toilets on any such craft
shall also incorporate or be equipped with a holding tank which can be
carried or pumped ashore for disposal according to the regulations of
local boards of health or county or state health agencies. Any holding
tank designed so as to provide for an optional means of discharge to the
waters on which the craft is operating shall have the discharge openings
sealed shut and any discharge lines, pipes or hoses shall be removed or
disconnected and stored while operating on the waters of said lake, its
tributaries or outlets. Failure to comply with the provisions of this
section shall be a violation punishable by a fine not to exceed two
hundred fifty dollars or by imprisonment of not more than fifteen days
or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Just stay on the Vermont side then.
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