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Old 11-21-2022, 04:11 PM   #61
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I'm pretty new in this game; we've owned our 34 ft trawler for a little over a year. I won't pretend to be an expert of any sort. However, here's something that struck me as we spent more and more time on our boat. It might apply to you, might not.

I found I tended to "fall in love" with the exterior of boats. (Truth be told, I still do.) Makes sense -- it's mostly what us non-owners see. Once you own the boat though, you'll see way, way more of the interior than the exterior.

Example: Our original dream was for a sailboat. Like you, we spent months on YouTube gazing gooey eyed at sloops, ketches, catamarans, etc. Then we finally started shopping for one. I'm 6'2" and after about three boats worth of standing stooped over in the low ceiling cabins of sailboats in our price range my back hurt! Our trawler, on the other hand, offers about a half-foot of headroom even for me.

It's one thing to be bewitched by the cool styling of a Chris Craft and quite altogether another to spend a week living in one. RT's advice to get inside as many boats as you can is some of the best in this thread.
Thanks for sharing your experience. We are hoping to be able to spend some time on a Constellation, looking at something on the internet is nothing like real life.

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Old 11-21-2022, 06:46 PM   #62
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I guess that is an option. How much are my kids paying you?

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HA, I work cheap!

We bought ours when we had the chance and love it. The ownership costs took a little getting used to.

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I am new to the forum and looking for a voice of reason. I have wanted a Chris Craft since I was a teenager, and have managed this obsession all my life. I suddenly find myself obsessed with the desire to own a mid-80s Constellation, and despite all the research I have done suggesting that this is not the best idea, at 62 years of age, I don't care. I have previous boating experience, but nothing in the realm of a big boat. I live in south Texas, and Corpus Christi would probably be my Port of choice. I am hoping that some of you sane, experienced gentlemen will regal me with tales of ownership horror, to save me from myself.
1) We can and will regale you with tales of horror.
2) We cannot save you from yourself, and probably wouldn't even if we could.
3) I wish I was 62 again!
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Will do, makes perfect sense. Thanks for all of your help.

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HA, I work cheap!

We bought ours when we had the chance and love it. The ownership costs took a little getting used to.

Good luck!!
Yes, I have a spreadsheet with the estimated associated costs of ownership, and while I normally love a spreadsheet, this one has become my least favorite.

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1) We can and will regale you with tales of horror.
2) We cannot save you from yourself, and probably wouldn't even if we could.
3) I wish I was 62 again!
1) Please hold the tales of horror until after we have made a purchase, just in case the Admiral should ever see my browser open in the forum.

2) True statement, and it would certainly take all the fun out of it.

3) They are all just numbers and as long as it doesn't say "Balance Due" in front of them, they are all good numbers.

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Peter is great. We had Boat/US- Geico boat insurance for over 40 years. But Geico went crazy on how they underwrite and value boats. So I decided I had to make a change. Called Peter and he got everything and more that I wanted in a phone call. And I now have better coverage.
Peter is awesome to work with. It took me much longer to fill out my "Resume of Boating Experience" than it did for him to have my "Vessel Insurance Indication" emailed to me. Thank you for recommending him. I had cheaper quotes, but I'm betting that cheap boat insurance and good boat insurance never share the same policy number. He also speaks highly of you.

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Yes, you can buy cheaper insurance but do you want to? Probably not. I want insurance that will actually payoff if I need it to.
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I ran a repair/rebuild shop in Denver (Yes, Denver. Lots of mountain lakes and many 17- and 19-footers) and found them to be very well built. You only see this when get into the structures beneath the varnish. Unless it is a totally wasted boat, the bones are usually good -- like quality fittings, engine and tranny control cables, etc. But I am biased.....
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I have a 1982 OA 43 Tri cabin I bought in 2000, I cruised San Francisco and the Delta for 9 years and used the boat for a commuter apartment, I then retired and went to Ensenada Mexico for six months, then back up the coast t Seattle. I have cruised over 3,000 hrs up the west coast to SE Alaska one year, another to Tofino, Canada and then 10 years ago south to The Sea of Cortez Mexico where Darlin stays on a mooring ball. I live on the boat 1/2 of the year. I reconditioned the boat three years ago, she looks better than new, and has 2 fine reliable Ford Lehman 120 engines. I turned 60 10 years ago. I hope to spend another 10 years on the boat, Search "MVDarlin" online and you will find an extensive history at her blog. Interest rates were 10% when I bought her and I paid 35% more and bought much bigger than budget. She was my first boat, I doubt I'll need or want another. I looked at boats for about 6 months from Vancouver Canada to San Diego before I bought. When I sat in the salon of Darlin and saw all the space from stem to stern and the beautiful teak wood I knew she was the right boat. She is very seaworthy, able to handle much rougher water than me. A well maintained fiberglass boat can be maintained indefinitely. She will likely last longer than me.
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A friend in Boston has a Hatteras 53, nice boat. I haven’t been on a Connie 50 but my guess is it doesn’t have the space the Hatteras has. But the Hatteras will be considerably more expensive to buy.
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A friend in Boston has a Hatteras 53, nice boat. I havenít been on a Connie 50 but my guess is it doesnít have the space the Hatteras has. But the Hatteras will be considerably more expensive to buy.
But you have to remember that the boat has to look good to the buyer and the Hat 53 may not. So therefore it may not be a reasonable solution no matter how much room it has. The old Connies had a distinctive style about them.
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You are in a situation where the answer is obvious, but terrifying at the same time. For us, the boat that I admired and kept coming to the head of our list is the 38xx Bayliner. For over ten years Iíd see one and lust after it. For nine and a half years two things stopped me. The first was that, okay, I never looked at the interior layout either in person or on paper, was although Iíd been in the salons of several, I had never seen the master bunk and assumed it was over against one side of the hull, rather than a walk most of the way around bunk. Once I found that out, I began trying to mitigate the ladder to the command bridge. It took a bit, but once I had it figured out, we found and bought a 1988 3818 that we have thoroughly enjoyed for the past six years. The same thing has happened to me a bunch of times in my 70+ years. Once I figured out that a message was being sent, then acted on it, the results have been awesome.
Moral of the story, you are being sent a message. Find one you want and buy it.
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You are in a situation where the answer is obvious, but terrifying at the same time. For us, the boat that I admired and kept coming to the head of our list is the 38xx Bayliner. For over ten years Iíd see one and lust after it. For nine and a half years two things stopped me. The first was that, okay, I never looked at the interior layout either in person or on paper, was although Iíd been in the salons of several, I had never seen the master bunk and assumed it was over against one side of the hull, rather than a walk most of the way around bunk. Once I found that out, I began trying to mitigate the ladder to the command bridge. It took a bit, but once I had it figured out, we found and bought a 1988 3818 that we have thoroughly enjoyed for the past six years. The same thing has happened to me a bunch of times in my 70+ years. Once I figured out that a message was being sent, then acted on it, the results have been awesome.
Moral of the story, you are being sent a message. Find one you want and buy it.
Your boat has great lines. Bayliner does an excellent job of using all of the space available.
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Iím the proud owner of a 1986 Chris Craft Constellation 500. As others have stated, itís kind of a blend of three legacy boat builders. Honestly, I have no issues or concerns about the boat. I too like the classic flush deck styling. If you stand back and squint your eyes just a bit, she has the lines of the old wooden 57í Connieís - simply the most beautiful pleasure boats ever built! The DD Covington 6V-92 TA engines are rock solid power. These boats do have cored decks, so you may see some slight cracking along the outer edges . Itís nothing structural, just needs to be sealed to prevent water entering those areas. I wouldnít hesitate to buy this boat again. Happy to answer any questions.
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I ran a repair/rebuild shop in Denver (Yes, Denver. Lots of mountain lakes and many 17- and 19-footers) and found them to be very well built. You only see this when get into the structures beneath the varnish. Unless it is a totally wasted boat, the bones are usually good -- like quality fittings, engine and tranny control cables, etc. But I am biased.....
Not having ever owned one, I am certainly hoping that they are well-built, and from the research we have done, that seems to be the general consensus. I am also a member of the Chris Craft biased club.

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I have a 1982 OA 43 Tri cabin I bought in 2000, I cruised San Francisco and the Delta for 9 years and used the boat for a commuter apartment, I then retired and went to Ensenada Mexico for six months, then back up the coast t Seattle. I have cruised over 3,000 hrs up the west coast to SE Alaska one year, another to Tofino, Canada and then 10 years ago south to The Sea of Cortez Mexico where Darlin stays on a mooring ball. I live on the boat 1/2 of the year. I reconditioned the boat three years ago, she looks better than new, and has 2 fine reliable Ford Lehman 120 engines. I turned 60 10 years ago. I hope to spend another 10 years on the boat, Search "MVDarlin" online and you will find an extensive history at her blog. Interest rates were 10% when I bought her and I paid 35% more and bought much bigger than budget. She was my first boat, I doubt I'll need or want another. I looked at boats for about 6 months from Vancouver Canada to San Diego before I bought. When I sat in the salon of Darlin and saw all the space from stem to stern and the beautiful teak wood I knew she was the right boat. She is very seaworthy, able to handle much rougher water than me. A well-maintained fiberglass boat can be maintained indefinitely. She will likely last longer than me.
An Ocean Alexander is an incredible boat, and I have enjoyed viewing them in plenty of videos. I am sincerely hoping that I feel exactly as you did, the first time I sit in a 500. No doubt the right boat makes all the complications of ownership worthwhile, I only hope I choose the right one.

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You are in a situation where the answer is obvious, but terrifying at the same time. For us, the boat that I admired and kept coming to the head of our list is the 38xx Bayliner. For over ten years Iíd see one and lust after it. For nine and a half years two things stopped me. The first was that, okay, I never looked at the interior layout either in person or on paper, was although Iíd been in the salons of several, I had never seen the master bunk and assumed it was over against one side of the hull, rather than a walk most of the way around bunk. Once I found that out, I began trying to mitigate the ladder to the command bridge. It took a bit, but once I had it figured out, we found and bought a 1988 3818 that we have thoroughly enjoyed for the past six years. The same thing has happened to me a bunch of times in my 70+ years. Once I figured out that a message was being sent, then acted on it, the results have been awesome.
Moral of the story, you are being sent a message. Find one you want and buy it.
I have owned quite a few Bayliners, and our #2 choice is a 4788 Pilothouse. I agree with the message being sent, when a boat speaks to you, that is a good thing.

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Iím the proud owner of a 1986 Chris Craft Constellation 500. As others have stated, itís kind of a blend of three legacy boat builders. Honestly, I have no issues or concerns about the boat. I too like the classic flush deck styling. If you stand back and squint your eyes just a bit, she has the lines of the old wooden 57í Connieís - simply the most beautiful pleasure boats ever built! The DD Covington 6V-92 TA engines are rock solid power. These boats do have cored decks, so you may see some slight cracking along the outer edges . Itís nothing structural, just needs to be sealed to prevent water entering those areas. I wouldnít hesitate to buy this boat again. Happy to answer any questions.
Thanks Bob, and congratulations on your 500. I agree with the classic styling, it definitely appeals to us over all other designs that we have considered thus far. Our next step is to experience one in person, but unfortunately, there is not one in every marina(part of the appeal). I have been told there is one in Kemah, but haven't done any research on it.

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A friend in Boston has a Hatteras 53, nice boat. I havenít been on a Connie 50 but my guess is it doesnít have the space the Hatteras has. But the Hatteras will be considerably more expensive to buy.
I agree that Hatteras makes a beautiful boat, and they are more expensive. If we find that a 500 is not to our liking after viewing in person, we will be considering them.

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