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05-29-2014, 06:28 PM
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City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
Join Date: Mar 2011
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More ER space needed
I have a 1976 Gulfstar with the fiberglass fuel tank. I need space to mount a large house battery bank. I was thinking about glassing a thick sheet of marine plywood painted with bilge coat gray to the top of the tank towards the front of the boat. Then using 5200 and short screw that would not penetrate the fuel tank. Has anyone done something similar? If you have done something different or similar please tell me what you have done. I will be mounting one double 8D battery enclosure made by AC DC Inc. They have some unique good marine products. I just purchased their 2 bilge pump switch assembly that includes a counter to see if there is an increase in bilge pump operations over a time period indicating a potential problem.
Thanks for any input on mounting the house battery bank.
Bill
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05-30-2014, 10:24 AM
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City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
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Maybe examine the possibility of using AGMs and installing in unorthodox mounting orientations?
I'm also considering multiple 6V AGMs when we eventually need to replace one bank... 'cause I can't deal with the weight of 8Ds.
-Chris
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05-30-2014, 10:42 AM
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City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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I am using AGM batteries the DEKA Unigy1 series 105AH 12VDC version. I want the weight to be in the center of the vessel. 4 of these batteries are the similar to 2 8D batteries. Hence the reason I bought the AC DC Inc 2 8D battery box. I have 8 of these batteries they are new.
Since I will initially start out with 200 watts of 24-28VDC solar and an AIR-X 24-28 wind generator into smart controllers to charge a 12-14VDC house bank. I figure I might be able to use a small 420AH house bank. However I'm prepared to go as high a 840AH's if needed.
Bill
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05-30-2014, 02:00 PM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
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So a typical 8D box holds two Group 31s? Or the AC DC box holds two 8Ds or four Group 31s?
-Chris
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05-30-2014, 02:40 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle, WA
Vessel Name: Pau Hana
Vessel Model: 1989 PT52 Overseas Yachtfisher
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Bigger boat, Bill- bigger boat 
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Peter- Marine Insurance Guru at Novamar Insurance Group (206-350-5051) & tuna fishing addict!
1989 52' PT Overseas yachtfisher
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05-30-2014, 03:15 PM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Chris the Deka Unigy1 105AH cells are narrower compared to a group 31. The AC DC dual 8D box dimensions are the same as 2 8Ds side by side.
Bill
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05-30-2014, 03:19 PM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pau Hana
Bigger boat, Bill- bigger boat |
I'm downsizing.
Bill
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05-30-2014, 09:04 PM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
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Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Chris I can't answer your question I haven't tried to install any group 31's in this new battery enclosure. All my 31 series batteries in my Mainship 40SB are all in individual battery boxes sized for group 31 batteries. Since I'm using DEKA Unigy1 105AH 12VDC cells they are narrower then a 31 series battery.
Bill
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05-31-2014, 07:15 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
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Thanks. Given the 105 Ah, I just assumed Group 31s. Useful to know yours are narrower...
I've been eyeballing the space where my starboard bank lives -- 3x Group 31s -- in peaceful coexistence with my genset battery (1x Group 34), and 4x 6V deep cycles will fit there without displacing the genset battery. That would increase that bank from 300 Ah to about 450 Ah... and maybe more if I have enough clearance to use the slightly taller 6Vs.
I also confirmed that new 6V bank would still supply enough CCAs to start that engine...
Don't actually need to do anything until that bank goes south, but we're starting our 9th season on 'em... so I've been shopping for battery boxes, too
-Chris
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05-31-2014, 07:28 AM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
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Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Chris, I found AC DC Inc on EBay but I believe they have a website. They have all kinds of unique marine products.
Bill
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05-31-2014, 08:14 AM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
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Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranger42c
Thanks. Given the 105 Ah, I just assumed Group 31s. Useful to know yours are narrower...
I've been eyeballing the space where my starboard bank lives -- 3x Group 31s -- in peaceful coexistence with my genset battery (1x Group 34), and 4x 6V deep cycles will fit there without displacing the genset battery. That would increase that bank from 300 Ah to about 450 Ah... and maybe more if I have enough clearance to use the slightly taller 6Vs.
I also confirmed that new 6V bank would still supply enough CCAs to start that engine...
Don't actually need to do anything until that bank goes south, but we're starting our 9th season on 'em... so I've been shopping for battery boxes, too
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To further complicate this DEKA calls these 31 hour batteries in some of their marketing....
Bill
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05-31-2014, 09:04 AM
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City: North Carolina for now
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That's a strange looking battery Bill with odd ball terminals for use as a UPS battery replacement. What made you go with those? They are about the same price as the tried and true Sears Platinum marine AGM made by Odyssey with similar specs.
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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05-31-2014, 09:33 AM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
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Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
That's a strange looking battery Bill with odd ball terminals for use as a UPS battery replacement. What made you go with those? They are about the same price as the tried and true Sears Platinum marine AGM made by Odyssey with similar specs.
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I got 8 brand new ones for FREE George, so the price was right. Also if I remove the top caps it has a larger conductive surface with a large headed machined hold down nuts on the + and - terminals. These are used in Alcatel Lucent NV MMBTS battery back up systems.
Bill
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05-31-2014, 09:56 AM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Free is good! So what type of terminal do you use?
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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05-31-2014, 10:05 AM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
Free is good! So what type of terminal do you use?
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I will be using Anchor 3/8ths single hole lugs using #2/0 tinned stranded wire. My inverter will be less than 6' round trip. The inverter is a 2000 watt pure sine wave ProMariner that also has a 70 amp smart charger. The DC house primary panel (<60 amps) is within 8 feet round trip and a high current (<60 amp) sub panel will be 20 feet round trip.
Bill
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05-31-2014, 12:18 PM
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
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I got thrown off because the specs and pics indicated a female terminal on the battery; so you thread a stud in there?
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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05-31-2014, 12:29 PM
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Guru
City: Tuckerton, NJ
Vessel Name: WIRELESS ONE
Vessel Model: 36 Gulstar MarkII
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
I got thrown off because the specs and pics indicated a female terminal on the battery; so you thread a stud in there?
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Yes there is are female threads on the top of the battery under a safety ABS cap it has a knurled fitting about .7" in diameter with an Allen key used to remove or tighten it. These hold L backets that can be removed that have 1/4" threaded posts on the front side of the battery. The 1/4" threaded posts would only be good for a medium/ low current ( like my Balmar Battery Smartmeter) connections these studs come with black and red protection caps.
It's a bit difficult to describe.
Bill
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06-02-2014, 11:53 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billylll
Chris, I found AC DC Inc on EBay but I believe they have a website. They have all kinds of unique marine products.
Bill
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Thanks, I'll check that out.
-Chris
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06-26-2014, 08:50 AM
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Senior Member
City: Palm Springs CA
Vessel Name: On The Rocks
Vessel Model: Gulf Star MKII
Join Date: Apr 2012
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I'm in the process of turning the aft bench of the dinette on my 36MKII into a battery box. I took the top off and made a hinged lid that seals with a gasket and vented the area through the bulkhead into the ER. Am now glassing the inside of the bench. I can get 6 or 8 golf cart batteries plus switches and busbars in the space.
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