Sage advice needed

[Art]

Originally Posted by Art

Salon - Not Sage... Just Fact!

I sent the above post #27 at 4:45 AM PDT today. Since then not one email notice came to me regarding several posts thereafter. Seems to have happened similarly on other threads for me. This is first time I mentioned it. Once I post again, such as I am doing right now to this thread, it usually puts my email back on the list of notices for learning of others' posts. This same item occurring to others???

[Art]

Originally Posted by manyboats

You pick'em Walt. I remember how much you liked your last boat. I really really liked my last boat (Albin) but can't say I loved it .... that would put me in Art's catergory.

Yo, Eric - I pretty much love every boat I've owned... otherwise would not have bought it! I'm a fall-over for a good boat. However, never show it my love till after the deal is closed. But, because I check em all out so well before layen the big $$$$ down... Once owned... those gals (boats) are in trouble cause I take advantage of their fine natures and their capabilities to "provide" me with great pleasure[s].

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. A. Maybe the Internet gods know the term is saloon as well...

[Nomad Willy]

Everyone knows what a saloon is and boats don't got'em.

Perhaps John Wayne's boat.

[CPseudonym]

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. mb. "Everyone knows what a saloon is..."
And YOUR proof of the proper use of the word saloon is? Here's mine. Refute if you can...and perhaps "everyone" is not as misinformed as you seem to be.


salon (n.) 1690s, "large room or apartment in a palace or great house," from French salon "reception room" (17c.), from Italian salone "large hall," from sala "hall," from a Germanic source (compare Old English sele, Old Norse salr "hall," Old High German sal "hall, house," German Saal), from Proto-Germanic *salaz, from PIE *sel- (1) "human settlement" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic selo "courtyard, village," obsolete Polish siolo, Russian selo "village," Lithuanian sala "village").

Sense of "reception room of a Parisian lady" is from 1810; meaning "gathering of fashionable people" first recorded 1888 (the woman who hosts one is a salonnière). Meaning "annual exhibition of contemporary paintings and sculpture in Paris" is from its originally being held in one of the salons of the Louvre. Meaning "establishment for hairdressing and beauty care" is from1913.


saloon (n.) 1728, anglicized form of salon, and originally used interchangeable with it. Meaning "large hall in a public place for entertainment, etc." is from 1747; especially a passenger boat from 1817, also used of railway cars furnished like drawing rooms (1842). Sense of "public bar" developed by 1841, American English.

I hope this ends this foolishness once and for all.

Oh, and allow me to cite my source: http://etymonline.com/index.php

[Art]

Originally Posted by RT Firefly

Greetings,
Mr. mb. "Everyone knows what a saloon is..."
And YOUR proof of the proper use of the word saloon is? Here's mine. Refute if you can...and perhaps "everyone" is not as misinformed as you seem to be.


salon (n.) 1690s, "large room or apartment in a palace or great house," from French salon "reception room" (17c.), from Italian salone "large hall," from sala "hall," from a Germanic source (compare Old English sele, Old Norse salr "hall," Old High German sal "hall, house," German Saal), from Proto-Germanic *salaz, from PIE *sel- (1) "human settlement" (cognates: Old Church Slavonic selo "courtyard, village," obsolete Polish siolo, Russian selo "village," Lithuanian sala "village").

Sense of "reception room of a Parisian lady" is from 1810; meaning "gathering of fashionable people" first recorded 1888 (the woman who hosts one is a salonnière). Meaning "annual exhibition of contemporary paintings and sculpture in Paris" is from its originally being held in one of the salons of the Louvre. Meaning "establishment for hairdressing and beauty care" is from1913.


saloon (n.) 1728, anglicized form of salon, and originally used interchangeable with it. Meaning "large hall in a public place for entertainment, etc." is from 1747; especially a passenger boat from 1817, also used of railway cars furnished like drawing rooms (1842). Sense of "public bar" developed by 1841, American English.

I hope this ends this foolishness once and for all.

Oh, and allow me to cite my source: Online Etymology Dictionary

Matt Dillon, Miss Kitty, Chester, Festus, Hoss / Little Joe / Adam Cartwright, Rowdy Yates, Mr. Favor and many other good ol cowboys and pretty gals always went to a Saloon to drink booze.

Then they often slipped into a gal’s Salon for more intimate, gentle, fun-filled entertainment features.

Therefore... In light of day, when the shades are open and all are clothed with cocktail in hand; saloon could surface for terminology on a boat. BUT… after-hours when the booze may have had time to apply its vices, shades are drawn, moon glows in the sky, and skimpy cloths at best are garb of choice; the second "o" in saloon disappears so that salon can come into "play".

Aboard boat I whole heartedly enjoy the word Salon and its gentle, female manifested connotations over and above the crass word Saloon wherein rough tough boys too often abuse their powers for cussing, spatting, and maybe even fisticuffs.

Soooo... A boat’s main cabin will always be its Salon – To Me!

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. A. Oh you poor lost soul...I suppose when it's raining you raise your umbrella? The more genteel of us deploy our bumbershoot...
Bumbershoot | Define Bumbershoot at Dictionary.com
If you will note in post #46 under the origins of the word salon, nowhere does it even remotely suggest a boat/ship/vessel whereas the word saloon specifically notes "... especially a passenger boat from 1817..."
As to drinking establishments being named saloons, this was a clever ruse perpetrated by purveyors of demon alcohol and keepers of dens of loose women to lend a semblance of decency to otherwise tawdry and lowbrow establishments along the same lines as calling a pool hall a billiard parlor or a Ford Mustang a sports car.
As an aside; "... into a gal’s Salon for more intimate..." Yes indeed, prostitution! So IF you wish to describe YOUR saloon as a salon, go right ahead but you may want to relocate your vessel to Nevada where such high jinks are legal.

I suspect this verbal sparing is NOT aiding the OP in any way other than to suggest the fact that any boat he gets should have a comfortable saloon.

[BruceK]

I think the problem is seeking Sage advice, when we sometimes provide Guru advice.

[Art]

Originally Posted by RT Firefly

Greetings,
Mr. A. Oh you poor lost soul...I suppose when it's raining you raise your umbrella? The more genteel of us deploy our bumbershoot...
Bumbershoot | Define Bumbershoot at Dictionary.com
If you will note in post #46 under the origins of the word salon, nowhere does it even remotely suggest a boat/ship/vessel whereas the word saloon specifically notes "... especially a passenger boat from 1817..."
As to drinking establishments being named saloons, this was a clever ruse perpetrated by purveyors of demon alcohol and keepers of dens of loose women to lend a semblance of decency to otherwise tawdry and lowbrow establishments along the same lines as calling a pool hall a billiard parlor or a Ford Mustang a sports car.
As an aside; "... into a gal’s Salon for more intimate..." Yes indeed, prostitution! So IF you wish to describe YOUR saloon as a salon, go right ahead but you may want to relocate your vessel to Nevada where such high jinks are legal.

I suspect this verbal sparing is NOT aiding the OP in any way other than to suggest the fact that any boat he gets should have a comfortable saloon.

Comforts of a saloon hold no match to comforts of s salon. OP had best decide which side of the gate seems more in-tune with desires at hand. Your stated ..." Yes indeed prostitution!" Lends credence that you subliminally may appreciate the word salon more than saloon. Check your feelings... then proceed to the door truly desired.

[RT Firefly]

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Mr. A. Saloon it is. Nothing subliminal at all. If I were to express my opinion of what YOU were inferring this thread would be very quickly moved to OTDE with my VERY strong views on the exploitation of women.

[Art]

Originally Posted by RT Firefly

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Mr. A. Saloon it is. Nothing subliminal at all. If I were to express my opinion of what YOU were inferring this thread would be very quickly moved to OTDE with my VERY strong views on the exploitation of women.

Thou dost protest too much!

[CPseudonym]

Art, RT,

On behalf of everyone else and the OP. Can you two take this to private message for crying out loud. Ten posts of this stupidity would make mother Theresa cuss.

Thank you

[Nomad Willy]

Oh yes I was about to recomend the OP buy a Willard.

[Art]

Originally Posted by CPseudonym

Art, RT,

On behalf of everyone else and the OP. Can you two take this to private message for crying out loud. Ten posts of this stupidity would make mother Theresa cuss.

Thank you

[bayview]

Many comments are different ways of saying "if moma aint happy nobody's happy"

[bayview]

The comment about not scaring the crap out of the wife is spot on. You don't mention your boat driving skill level but I can assure you that all those guys making it look easy have a lot of practice. The ones banging into things, heavy hand on the throttle and yelling at everyone involved are the ones whose wife wont ever get on the boat again.

[Baker]

I used to hang out with a couple whose wife would go out on my boat when we would go boating together. Every time they would go on their boat some crazy stuff would happen.

[FlyWright]

You always had a way with the women, Baker!