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05-24-2017, 03:09 PM
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Member
City: Leidschendam
Vessel Name: PLECIER
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 32
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 10
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Remotor grand banks 32
Hello,
I am considering to place a new engine in my wooden grand banks.
Now it is an old ford lehman 120 hp.
Considering a cummins 210 hp.
What would happen ? Much faster ?
Or will the boat break in two ?
The hull is in top shape.
Thanks.
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05-24-2017, 03:22 PM
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Senior Member
City: LAFAYETTE,LA
Vessel Name: Relenti
Vessel Model: Atlantic 30, 1983
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 451
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Why?? If you want to go fast get a different boat. You might get a knot or two better. If the Leyman is tired it can be rebuilt. I think it can be rebuilt in the boat-but I'm not sure. You won't have to do all the auxiliary items that you have to do to change engines. Big difference in cost. Plus, a good rebuild will probably outlast the boat.
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05-24-2017, 03:50 PM
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Newbie
City: Atlanta, GA
Vessel Name: Miakoda
Vessel Model: Fales Navigator
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I totally agree with ddalme! The Lehman is perfect for that boat.. Rebuild it!
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05-24-2017, 04:25 PM
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
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Vessel Model: DeFever 48
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Cier2
The EU has some pretty strict emissions regs for remotoring. Would this preclude the drop in of a "new" engine vs rebuild of the old Lehman? Have you compared all in costs between rebuilding the old vs a Cummins 210? Would you do the replacement work yourself?
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05-24-2017, 05:02 PM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
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GB offered the Cummins 210 in later models of the 32, so it will be a good choice. But even removing the Lehman and sending it out for a complete reubuild will be cheaper than a reconned Cummins considering mounts, exhaust, shaft, etc.
David
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05-24-2017, 05:54 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
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Greetings,
Mr. C2. Welcome aboard. I fully agree with the above. Want a faster boat? Buy another one. Tired Lehman? Get it rebuilt. We have 2 Lehmans on board. I would rebuild both before I'd ever replace them.
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05-24-2017, 06:02 PM
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Guru
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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If you keep it, take it out and rebuild it, strongly suggest you look at putting it back on new softer engine mount while using an isolation coupler between your prop shaft and the transmission.
You will not believe the difference in makes in smoothing out vibration and vibration associated noises.
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05-24-2017, 08:04 PM
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Guru
City: Bellingham WA
Vessel Name: Hatt Trick
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I have 210 Cummins, but I'd say rebuild. The Ford Lehman is right for your application, and it would be much cheaper.
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05-24-2017, 08:51 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
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Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Agree on rebuilding the Lehman. Great engines.
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05-24-2017, 09:51 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,612
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Rebuild the old FL?
That's the cheapest route.
Sounds like the OP wants more speed. So getting a different boat is much better than work'in on the old FL. The OP should probably look at and take a ride on a Bayliner or equivalent. Maybe he wants a cruiser. If so he'd be numb to get a trawler cuze they are popular. Unless getting the in thing is #1.
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North Western Washington State USA
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05-24-2017, 10:19 PM
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Guru
City: Gibsons, B.C., Canada
Vessel Name: Island Pride
Vessel Model: Palmer 32'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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210 hp may add a knot or so. 210 hp will NOT get that boat planing reliably so if that is the thought it won't work.
ALthough I do not have a 32 G.B. my boat is very similar and the engine is 217hp. The only time it planed it planed very slowly, 11 K, and once our gear was aboard that was the last time it planed.
A new engine will likely require mounting changes, shaft change, gear change, prop change, exhaust change and a bunch of other smaller details I haven't even thought about . Whatever the engine costs you, the final cost will be almost double.
The Cummins is a fine engine, better than the Lehman, but be sure you need it before replacing. Those Lehmans were just the ticket for a huge number of boats like yours.
Get the Lehman rebuilt.
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05-24-2017, 11:44 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Sadly...you are all telling him the one thing he didn't want to hear. Why..? 'Cause there's nowt so strange as folks...'specially ones that want to go faster..!
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05-24-2017, 11:57 PM
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,709
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Plan for the new engine and tranny and prop and shaft and cutlass bearing and associated cooling, exhaust and electrical system changes.
How much money do you want to spend on this 40+ year old woody?
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05-25-2017, 12:45 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Last Easter we went for a cruse on a 35' timber Halvorsen that had been re powered by a Hyundai SeasAll .Wow what a smooth quite engine with little vibration from 900rpm to 1800rpm it was like the one big sweet spot. Id have no hesitation choosing a Hyundai SeasAll as a Cummins replacement
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05-25-2017, 02:51 AM
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Member
City: Leidschendam
Vessel Name: PLECIER
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 32
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 10
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I am totaly convnced not to change but to rebuild !
Thanks a lot.
Question : can they rebuilt without taking the engine out ?
Because the exaust etc is new.
It even has glendinning motorcontrol up and down.
The reason of changing engine is that the old one is using a liter oil in ten hours.
The head has been done last year...
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05-25-2017, 03:23 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CIER2
I am totaly convnced not to change but to rebuild !
Thanks a lot.
Question : can they rebuilt without taking the engine out ?
Because the exaust etc is new.
It even has glendinning motorcontrol up and down.
The reason of changing engine is that the old one is using a liter oil in ten hours.
The head has been done last year...
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A litre of oil in ten hours travel. Is that all..? I'd call that only a bit above average. That engine has a lot of life yet in my view, especially if the head has just been done. My trusty 120hp Lehman would probably burn that. I seldom do ten hours non-stop engine run-time, but I think I'd have to add about a litre after that. In an engine that holds a good 15 litres, plus, that's quite modest, I think. I think the man should just lie back and enjoy the ride, and save about $5000 to $10000 or more. What do others with Lehmans think..?
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05-25-2017, 04:26 AM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,012
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Greetings,
Mr. C2. 1 liter/10hrs? Our engines used to use about that amount BUT, after having read a lot about Lehman oil use, I came to the conclusion that the dipstick was marked INCORRECTLY and I was adding too much oil to keep it topped up! When those engines were used in a perfectly horizontal orientation (as in a land based generator or power plant) the factory oil level mark is correct BUT when mounted at an angle (as in most if not ALL vessels), one has to adjust the oil level mark on the dipstick.
Try this: Completely drain all your oil (wait until your next oil change) and add EXACTLY the amount of oil as required by the manual and then either note where the oil is on the dipstick OR re-mark the dipstick to reflect the proper level. I suspect you will find your oil consumption goes down. Even if it doesn't, oil is cheaper than a re-build.
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05-25-2017, 04:56 AM
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Member
City: Leidschendam
Vessel Name: PLECIER
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 32
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 10
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Thanks mr Firefly !
Indeed, after 6 more hours the level on the stick did not get lower !
Just checked after your post.
So no rebuild and no new engine.
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05-25-2017, 05:06 AM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Greetings,
Mr. C2. You're entirely welcome sir but it was NOT my idea. Simply another useful tip provided to me by the knowledge base here on TF.
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05-25-2017, 06:02 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
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No smoke and 1 litre of oil in ten hours congratulations you have a near new motor
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