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05-12-2021, 10:35 PM
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City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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New to TF and Trawler Life Looking for Advice
Let me start with a So Sorry for the Long Post and that I'm well aware I may be opening Pandora's Box when asking for advice. Quick background on me. Ive owned numerous boats over the last 30 years from houseboats to offshore fishing. Ive always admired the Trawlers. the last 30 years in our area Ive always admired a trawler (Grand Banks 36) that was kept in a covered boat shed and she was kept out of water I never seen her on the river or waterway. Close to 10 years ago I had a shift in life with business and family and got out of recreational boating. Recently 60 days ago I found the ole Grand Banks I always admired. Actually a friend of mine actually purchased her 10 years ago. Over the last 5 years this buddy of mine went through some serious life challenges and couldnt keep her up. So there is the setup.
Here are the details of the vessel
1974 Grand Banks 36 Classic Hull 473
Power - Twin (2) Ammarine 404 (John Deere 6404DF)
Generator - Onan 7.5 KW
Hours - 752 Documented and Original
Meticulous Records along with Most of the original owners manuals for all of the equipment
CONCERNS - The boat has been sitting in the water for 2 years with out being started.
The teak is in obvious need of cleaning
NO Visible Rot
She is not taking on water
The window frames (Exterior) have to be replaced (all of them)
The Salon Door Needs Replacing
Teak Swim Platform needs repair or replacement
Shore power works - outlets only I cant seem to get the cabin lights to work
Batteries are DEAD DEAD DEAD
Interior cusions still have plastic wrap on them
I suspect the electric panels need replacing or updating
this is the advice I am seeking
I am very handy wood working no problem
mechanical work - I understand a more than the average bear
I know nothing about diesel engines
So far I have replaced all of the injector boots on both engines and cleaned injectors with nylon brush and diesel fuel
I have made an agreement that I will not purchase this boat until I know that it is mechanically sound (in reason) realizing it hasnt run in 2 years. Remember the boat hasn't run because of personal health challenges of current owner not because she broke down
I have been able to turn the engines over with a breaker bar (both engines) did not feel any grinding or anything that seemed odd.
Oil in both engines look clean, trans fluid looks clean
I could NOT turn the shafts with (cheap strap wrench) I suspect bearings are rusted.
Engine Compartments are super clean
Hot Water Heater Does NOT work
Batteries are shot - looks like they may have been overcharged one looks like it exploded
If I decide to purchase, purchase price will between $10,000 - $15,000 USD
I wasnt in the market for a boat, however always had the dream of having one just not right time in life. I have time to work on this PROJECT I realize the WORST thing for a boat is to sit dormant and unfortunately she has. I am a visionary however I dont want my optimizim to be a costly regretful error.
Im not sure where to start with this project other than
1. Make sure the engines run
2. make sure the transmissions work
3. make sure the screws and shafts are in good working order
Looking for some advice because I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW
THANKS in advance I do have plenty of pics and will set up a dropbox link or a website with the pics to view
John Cassidy
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05-12-2021, 10:42 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Welcome aboard. GBs are good boats in general. But even good boats will deteriorate when left unattended. My best advice would be to get a surveyor to come and give you at least a look over and see what he/she thinks. It will cost you some money but it will give you an idea of whether or not to even think about proceeding with buying the boat. Then you will have an information that you will need to decide whether to buy or not. The surveyor can give you a list of things that need fixing. But before the survey the batteries will need to be working, probably why you have no lights since most lights are DC powered. And in order to do a reasonable survey you will need power on in the boat. You could even temporarily install some batteries to do the survey. Good luck!
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05-12-2021, 10:43 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Greetings,
Welcome aboard. Put some batteries in her and start her up.
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05-12-2021, 10:43 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 18,521
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
Welcome aboard. Put some batteries in her and start her up.
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Agree, the engines will probably start if it has good fuel.
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05-12-2021, 10:50 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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Funny how you realize how strong of a kid you were when you were in your 20's at 52 the mother flippin 150lb batteries have kicked my ass
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05-12-2021, 10:51 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,018
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Greetings,
Mr. HH. Hire some yard apes to do the grunt work. Don't work harder, work smarter.
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05-12-2021, 10:56 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 18,521
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You may find 8D batteries for the start batteries in that age of boat. However they are not needed and are indeed very heavy. A group 31 should start those engines easily. I have 4Ds in my boat but I only keep them since the battery box is glassed into the hull.
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05-12-2021, 11:46 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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05-12-2021, 11:51 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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05-12-2021, 11:53 PM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: SEA WOLF
Vessel Model: 1979 CHB 41 Trawler
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 830
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Sounds like it could be a great boat at a great price if you can ensure it's fundamentals are sound. I don't know a ton about Grand Banks, but it sounds like it was re-powered? Would be good to figure out when & by whom if possible. Getting a surveyor out there is a good idea, but you could also just hire a diesel mechanic and a good boat systems guy (maybe with a focus on electrical systems) and pay them for a few hours of their time to get a sense of what's required and what it might cost for the stuff you'd have to hire out.
Take a look at the tanks too, particularly the fuel tanks, which are likely iron, and can be expensive to replace if they are seriously corroded. Often the deck fill fittings leak, and water collects on the top and rusts the tanks out. Could be $15k to replace them.
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05-13-2021, 04:36 AM
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Senior Member
City: Port Hope
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 146
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaiHan
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This link doesn't work for me, error message says folder /Grand Banks' doesn't exist.
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05-13-2021, 04:36 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Narsaq
Vessel Name: ALICE H.
Vessel Model: SANMAR LNG TUG
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 84
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Quote:
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Power - Twin (2) Ammarine 404 (John Deere 6404DF)
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750 hrs since new?
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05-13-2021, 06:25 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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No not a repower. Actual hours boat was hardly ever used over the last 47 years. I actually know the boat
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05-13-2021, 06:28 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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What’s the beat way to post pics
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05-13-2021, 07:18 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Seneca Lake NY
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,083
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaiHan
What’s the beat way to post pics
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Here's a link to a How To
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...ad.php?t=50850
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2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
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05-13-2021, 07:29 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,620
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HaiHan
What’s the beat way to post pics
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Go advanced at the bottom of the reply dialog and scroll down to see manage attachments. Click there and a dialog shows up allowing you to browse and upload multiple photos.
I know GBs, both 36 and 42 pretty well. I bet the engines and genny start. If so, the next thig to do it ferret out any rain leaks and associated rot. Usually under windows and on top of fuel tanks where the fuel fill is.
The reason the cabin lights don't come on with shore power is probably because they are battery powered.
What does the boat have for a battery charger?
Has it been regularly serviced by a diver of is the bottom and a running gear a forest? Be sure through hulls are clear before trying to start. Easiest way might be to pop the top off the sea strainers to see if you get flow when you open the previously closed sea cocks.
The best thing to do with the water heater is to pull the heating element out and check it. It is probably rotted out. They are usually not hard to find replacements for.
Do not clean the teak deck using a brush along the grain - got across the grain.
If you get the engines running, warm them up and take and oil sample and send it to Blackstone or another reputable lab. Show us the results.
Oh, and HI, welcome aboard.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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05-14-2021, 05:37 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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a few pics of the 74 GB 36
here are a few pics of the boat
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05-14-2021, 06:12 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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charging system @rgano
Here are a couple pics of the charging system im sure it is outdated. not sure what the charge pro unit is on the wall in engine room
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05-14-2021, 06:26 PM
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Member
City: conway
Vessel Name: What if....
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 1974
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
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not repower 750 actual original hours
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05-14-2021, 08:06 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,965
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Teak decks, left outside, run away, IMO
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