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12-31-2017, 06:15 AM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 12
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Hi from Moonshadow
Just joined this forum, so hi there !
Moonshadow is a Linssen 410 Sedan 43 ft Dutch displacement steel cruiser (so not strictly a trawler), built in 2016.
We are presently overwintering in Decize on the Canal Lateral a la Loire in Burgundy in France and should be heading south along the Saone and Rhone towards the Mediterranean and Canal du Midi in April.
This is our third Linssen and mostly the inland waterways of Europe are our turf.
We are pretty well versed on the waterways of France, Netherlands and Germany if anybody needs any advice in this area.
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12-31-2017, 07:25 AM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,381
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Welcome to the forum. I envy you.
A few years ago I started a thread here about cruising the canals of Europe, well France mostly. I had a strong desire to buy a 10-12 meter canal boat and cruise throughout France and maybe Belgium and The Netherlands for the summer. Unfortunately I couldn't convince my wife.
It does seem to be a wonderful lifestyle: securely cruising along canals through gorgeous countrysides, tying up in cute villages, eating at local restaurants along the way, improving my rotten French, etc.
Is it really that nice or am I over romanticizing the lifestyle?
How is wintering? Do you use electric or diesel for heat? How do you get water down to your boat in the winter, or maybe it doesn't freeze where you are located?
Enjoy the life!! David
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12-31-2017, 07:48 AM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 12
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Thanks David.
Well, Moonshadow is overwintering in France, the crew i.e. the dog and I are overwintering at home this winter.
It can get quite cold in France in winter and the water tanks are drained, anti-freeze in the raw water system and air-con but it looks a lot colder at the moment in the US !
The French canals can be recommended but I don't know about Belgium, perhaps not my thing. Not much commercial traffic on the French canals and usually very, very quiet (sometimes too much so) as long as you avoid the Canal du Midi in mid-season. Lots of locks though, we did 236 this year, but mostly quick and easy and any breakdowns usually get fixed very quickly.
There was a lack of water this year in northern France so the need to be flexible when they close a canal is important.
It is generally very cheap to cruise the French canals after you buy a yearly cruising permit online. Stopping places vary from mooring alongside the bank to village pontoons (with or without electric and water) to the odd Port de Plaisance with more facilities but rarely costing more than $ 12-15 per night and often considerably less or free of charge even with electric and water.
This year we left the Netherlands in June and cruised up the Maas (Meuse in French), then the Canal de Ardennes, then past the Champagne region onto the Marne and into Paris where we stayed at the Arsenal harbour in the centre next to the Place de Bastille. Then up the Seine and over the hills via Canal de Loing and Canal de Briare to the Loire and then followed the Canal lateral a la Loire to where we are now.
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12-31-2017, 07:58 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
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Welcome to the forum! Cruising the canals of Europe sounds very relaxing and probably quite scenic. Please post some pictures of your boat. We all enjoy seeing different boats.
Ted
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12-31-2017, 08:12 AM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 12
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Thanks Ted.
Can't quite understand how to upload photos to the thread but have just added a few photos to Gallery.
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12-31-2017, 09:20 AM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonshadow
Thanks Ted.
Can't quite understand how to upload photos to the thread but have just added a few photos to Gallery.
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Thanks for you comments on cruising the French canals. Sounds delightful!
To upload photos, click on advanced if you are in quick reply then click on the paper clip at the top of the message entry screen. A window will open that will let you browse your computer and click on the photos you want to upload. Click select then upload and afterwards close the window.
To see your photos before finalizing your post, click on preview at the bottom. You will see your post with the pics at the bottom exactly as it will appear when you post it. You can edit some more or click post.
David
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12-31-2017, 10:15 AM
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Guru
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Welcome aboard!
Linssen is a quality and a fine boat, perfect for the canals and I feel good to be a "Trawler".
I sail here in northern Europe and the idea of a few years to get into the inland waters of Germany, Holland, France and maybe Med. I will ask you if it is difficult to find a canal route with a boat whose bridge clearance is about 3.3-3.45 meters, height, variation if I detach the radar.
Can you recommend something (very good) to channel books to plan routes there.
Can you estimate about the cost of lifting a boat up to winter to land on a 40 feet boat?
NBs
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12-31-2017, 10:29 AM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Welcome aboard, must be very nice to cruise there. I visited canal du midi when I was young and loved it. It is a bit less nice now as they were forced to cut a lot of Platane trees along the canal but still nice.
Any idea of the minimum clearance and draft along the way from north to south?
L
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12-31-2017, 12:04 PM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 12
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Thanks for that.
You shouldn't have any problem with 3.45 meters air draft in France. Just take it easy under bridges and if needed stick up on wine as extra ballast.
No idea what a lift out would cost, probably depends who is doing it.
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12-31-2017, 12:06 PM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
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Hi Lou,
Officially airdraft is 3.50 meters. Ideally your draft should be around 1.20 meters but it depends a lot on water levels. Last summer was extremely dry and even witn 1.20 meters you would have had trouble in some places.
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12-31-2017, 12:12 PM
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Member
City: Europe
Vessel Name: Moonshadow
Vessel Model: Linssen 410 Sedan
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 12
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12-31-2017, 01:41 PM
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Guru
City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
Join Date: May 2016
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Beautiful country and boat. Keep us posted on your travels.
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12-31-2017, 03:55 PM
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Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,381
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Looks like you got the hang of it. Gorgeous pics!!
David
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12-31-2017, 06:53 PM
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Senior Member
City: Anacortes
Vessel Name: Salish Nomad
Vessel Model: American Tug 34
Join Date: Jan 2017
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Nice photos, thanks for sharing.
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12-31-2017, 06:57 PM
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Guru
City: Victoria TX
Vessel Name: Bijou
Vessel Model: 2008 Island Packet PY/SP
Join Date: Nov 2012
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My wife would love that kind of cruising. Is there such a thing as a bareboat canal boat charter in France?
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12-31-2017, 07:13 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
My wife would love that kind of cruising. Is there such a thing as a bareboat canal boat charter in France?
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You can rent a boat to navigate on the Canal du Midi in south of France, it is a well known place.
L
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12-31-2017, 07:20 PM
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Guru
City: Chicago/Montrose Harbor
Vessel Name: Sea Jay
Vessel Model: Non Trawler ;-) Ask me if it matters LOL
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
My wife would love that kind of cruising. Is there such a thing as a bareboat canal boat charter in France?
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Look up LeBoat as a vendor who does a lot of those charters. I’ve been eye balling them for a couple of years. They are all over Europe, and the U.K. looks like a blast
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12-31-2017, 07:27 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
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I too had a dream of spending some time in France along the canals, from buying an already converted old barge to a new build at sailaway stage, and then fitting out myself while cruising I inspected a few boats in St Jean de Losne, but in the end walked away. I still hope to charter there at some stage!
Tom Sommers books are very comprehensive, with info on draft etc for the canals and intro to many other aspects of canal boating.
Tom Sommers' EuroCanals Guides
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12-31-2017, 07:35 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Thanks for the pictures! Everything I've seen on cruising the canals makes it seem so relaxing and leisurely.
Ted
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Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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12-31-2017, 08:01 PM
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Guru
City: New Orleans
Vessel Name: Scot Free
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Nice intro and beautiful pics...
Nicely done.
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