Closing in on oursearch for new boat

[Scooby5959]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

Doubt I'm a 'hater' but definitely rolling my eyes. Not because you want what you want, but because your comments about "real trawlers" come off as so judgemental. Add-in a tiny character boat like an NT26 and, well, how could anyone not roll their eyes?

I’m not thin skinned so I don’t really care to be honest with you however your eyes rolling are probably from that round bottom boat that you have .I’m sure everything rolls after a while ,I wasn’t trying to come off as judgemental I was being judgemental .I would think a guy that owns a boat like you do would know what a real trawler is , maybe I should quit using that word and use troller instead .As far as my nordic goes Not my first choice however that’s where things are right now . I’m going to refit it with my vision and at the very least there won’t be another one like it .For better or worse . I guess I’m not allowed to have strong opinions I don’t agree with the haters all I can say is get over it ,get used to it .It’s just a Opinion nothing to get your panties in a bunch over

[bowball]

Originally Posted by Scooby5959

Trader I’m so over these overpowered Semi displacement coastal cruisers .Where you put more thoughts into the towel rack in the head than what engine you have . to each his own

I’m one of those “overpowered semi displacement coastal cruiser” that you dislike. But you have more horsepower per pound of displacement than I do - complete with a smokestack. But I do like the look of yours too. .

Everyone gets what they like and works for them. We don’t have to always agree. Just don’t throw stones…

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by Scooby5959

I’m not thin skinned so I don’t really care to be honest with you however your eyes rolling are probably from that round bottom boat that you have .I’m sure everything rolls after a while ,I wasn’t trying to come off as judgemental I was being judgemental .I would think a guy that owns a boat like you do would know what a real trawler is , maybe I should quit using that word and use troller instead .As far as my nordic goes Not my first choice however that’s where things are right now . I’m going to refit it with my vision and at the very least there won’t be another one like it .For better or worse . I guess I’m not allowed to have strong opinions I don’t agree with the haters all I can say is get over it ,get used to it .It’s just a Opinion nothing to get your panties in a bunch over

You found a boat that works for you and your circumstances which is great. i have had my boat for 24 years and have purchased her a second and third time with refits over the years. That is true love!

You are not the first prickly newbie on TF who spent too much time reading Beebe or Beuhler thinking you now know what is and is not a "Real Trawler." I give you credit for at least owning a boat.

The problem I have with some folks is not their ignorance - we all started somewhere. But their arrogance, the sense that somehow they are the first to discover fire. There is a line between enthusiastic and arrogance. When crossed, I have to wonder if the author is speaking from fear, usually being clueless on weather forecasting which means they have no idea how to safely move a boat long distances. They rely on luck so naturally they need a tank to defend against the unknown. Ignorance is one thing, but when it crosses into judgemental arrogance it becomes annoying. They always seem to have some sort of dismissive retort - in your case "Haters - No one likes strong opinions." There are many strong opinions here. Even arrogance pops up with regularity, though usually from people with pre-established creds (vs self-proclaimed creds). But from time to time, someone shows up who is either a troll or so self-important they believe their opinion is right even in the face of monumental evidence to the contrary. The result is a conversational bully and genuinely abrassive contributor.

At any rate, the OP came to TF looking for helpful opinions on boat selection. For some reason, I always forget to mention the Flemings that were mentioned up-thread. These are a great choice for many and would be a blast to bop around the Bahamas or Caribbean. As a suggestion, Tony Fleming has a YouTube channel that has some great footage of long trips, albeit in their 65-footers.

Peter

[Scooby5959]

Originally Posted by mvweebles

You found a boat that works for you and your circumstances which is great. i have had my boat for 24 years and have purchased her a second and third time with refits over the years. That is true love!

You are not the first prickly newbie on TF who spent too much time reading Beebe or Beuhler thinking you now know what is and is not a "Real Trawler." I give you credit for at least owning a boat.

The problem I have with some folks is not their ignorance - we all started somewhere. But their arrogance, the sense that somehow they are the first to discover fire. There is a line between enthusiastic and arrogance. When crossed, I have to wonder if the author is speaking from fear, usually being clueless on weather forecasting which means they have no idea how to safely move a boat long distances. They rely on luck so naturally they need a tank to defend against the unknown. Ignorance is one thing, but when it crosses into judgemental arrogance it becomes annoying. They always seem to have some sort of dismissive retort - in your case "Haters - No one likes strong opinions." There are many strong opinions here. Even arrogance pops up with regularity, though usually from people with pre-established creds (vs self-proclaimed creds). But from time to time, someone shows up who is either a troll or so self-important they believe their opinion is right even in the face of monumental evidence to the contrary. The result is a conversational bully and genuinely abrassive contributor.

At any rate, the OP came to TF looking for helpful opinions on boat selection. For some reason, I always forget to mention the Flemings that were mentioned up-thread. These are a great choice for many and would be a blast to bop around the Bahamas or Caribbean. As a suggestion, Tony Fleming has a YouTube channel that has some great footage of long trips, albeit in their 65-footers.

Peter

You don’t really know anything about me you think you do but you don’t .I don’t really like defending myself I don’t feel I need to you can call it Arrogant if you like that’s just the way I feel .I’ve been boating for a very long time and I owned a lot of boats ,you don’t agree with my opinions OK point out specifically where I’m wrong except in general terms that my appreciation on Bueller’s designs are a greenhorn mistake .if I could afford to have one built I would I personally love expedition trawlers . edit is also a fact that 90% of these coastal so called trawlers Sit tied to the dock most of the time I bought many of them cleaned them up and flipped them that’s how I’ve been able to Afford them. I know who buys them I know why they buy them I’ve owned many of them . it’s too bad that more of them aren’t being saved too much plywood coring and old outdated engines that aren’t worth rebuilding people aren’t willing to spend $40-$100,000 to rebuild them properly and the new boats being built are even worse As far as I’m concerned they’re building a better boat but the engines there putting in them I don’t agree with at all ,but that’s what people seem to want it’ll change one day ,but I guess people are still willing to buy the fuel .Of course you don’t need to buy much fuel when you’re sitting at the dock .all these things are Absolute fact you call arrogance .The boat I currently own is 38 years old and has 1960 hours another dock Queen .In 2003 my boat had close to 1500 hrs on it according to the paperwork I found in the last 20 years Less than 500 hours were put on the boat .I know of a Meridian that was sold ,15 years old at the time if not older I don’t remember but at least 15 years old and had 52 hours on it .still the original fuel that was put in the boat when it was bought new it’s sat tied to the dock and never moved not even once .I doubt you can find many things that I stated being wrong ,what you call wrong is your opinion you don’t agree ,You think I’m being too harsh by pointing these things out .Kinda rubbing peoples noses in it ,I think a little bit a nose rubbing is in order in my opinion I don’t really care who Dislikes it ,If you’re not going to use your boat or don’t have time to use it then why buy it ,it needs to be pointed out people need to know you have to have time otherwise you’re wasting your money been good for me though

[Peter B]

Scooby, the people you rather too readily call 'haters' are actually not. (Maybe you're a bit of a Taylor Swift fan..?) They are just folk who react a bit testily to your rather abrasive posting style, and your rather dismissive responses to that of others. Repeating often that you "don't care what others think" is not a great way to win friends and influence people, as the saying goes.

Might I suggest again, that before your hit save on your post. As you use voice recognition, it is rather too easy to come out with stuff you might otherwise word a bit differently, so sitting back before you hit 'submit reply,' and reading it as if it was someone else posting it to you, might help avoid angst. You may feel moved to go in and do a bit of editing. Takes no time really.

Then you'd pick up on phrases that could be worded a less in folks face - also some editing of the punctuation could make them easier to read. With capitals at the beginning of sentences, and a few paragraphs (a couple of line gaps between main statements), so folk get what you really mean. Just a friendly warning - a stitch in time, and all that...

[Scooby5959]

Originally Posted by Peter B

Scooby, the people you rather too readily call 'haters' are actually not. (Maybe you're a bit of a Taylor Swift fan..?) They are just folk who react a bit testily to your rather abrasive posting style, and your rather dismissive responses to that of others. Repeating often that you "don't care what others think" is not a great way to win friends and influence people, as the saying goes.

Might I suggest again, that before your hit save on your post. As you use voice recognition, it is rather too easy to come out with stuff you might otherwise word a bit differently, so sitting back before you hit 'submit reply,' and reading it as if it was someone else posting it to you, might help avoid angst. You may feel moved to go in and do a bit of editing. Takes no time really.

Then you'd pick up on phrases that could be worded a less in folks face - also some editing of the punctuation could make them easier to read. With capitals at the beginning of sentences, and a few paragraphs (a couple of line gaps between main statements), so folk get what you really mean. Just a friendly warning - a stitch in time, and all that...

All very true my communication skills are horrendous .I’ve had kind of a rough life ,I had to teach myself to read and write .It’s the only excuse I have not not a good one.It drives me up the wall some of the advice on this Forum .A simple statement like you might be better off with a single engine for a variety of reasons out come by haters.Or you might consider a dry exhaust Especially when it comes time to re-power out come the haters.Another one people will go on and on about what kind of davit to buy when the boat hardly ever leaves the dock ,don’t point that out, they act as if you committed a crime .I’ll keep my responses short to the point while not trying to convince anybody of anything that’s pointless anyways

[Porgy]

The poor OP. This is the so called “Welcome Mat” where they come to say hi, introduce themselves and let people know where they are in their search and that they may have questions sometime.

They are subjected to the obligatory interrogation, then given recommendations that were not solicited and don’t match the OP’s criteria. And, then post after post of utter drivel that is as incomprehensible as it is pointless. To the OP, yes this is your “welcome.”

There are some knowledgeable people that sometimes provide useful information. Some answer the question posed, when there is an actual question posed. And then there’s always... well every forum has them, lots of them. The ratio of useful to not useful information in this thread is about what you’ll find in most other threads as well. Good luck with your project.

Twistedtree on this forum as built 60’ and 68’ Nordhavns with some degree of customization and the one person who springs to mind with similar experience to your goal. He has a blog and many posts here. I believe someone here also built a larger Krogen somewhat recently but, don’t recall if they shared details of their build.

[backinblue]

I have to agree with MV. I don't care what boat anyone wanys to own. We all have resaons and compromises. But your comments come off a lot like someone in a glass house throwing stones.

[hrk]

Thanks for welcome and some useful suggestions. I am new to forum style conversation so pardon my way of communicating. As we make progress in choosing our boat and building process begins, i am sure to be back with deveral questions.

[backinblue]

Personal choice, I wouldn't want an old boat with unsually low hours. I'd rather have a boat that is used often and maintained properly. I'm trying to understand Scooby's point about finding boats that are still full of original fuel. Maybe I missed the point but why would this be a plus?

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by hrk

Thanks for welcome and some useful suggestions. I am new to forum style conversation so pardon my way of communicating. As we make progress in choosing our boat and building process begins, i am sure to be back with deveral questions.

If you're headed down the "build" route, check out mvtanglewood.com (author is a frequent TF contributor-Twisted Tree) and KensBlog.com. If memory serves, Tanglewood started out with a GB42 and is now on his second Nordhavn build. Ken is also a serial Nordhavn owner though has now gone with a 60 foot Palm Beach (GB) to better suit his intended cruising grounds. I mention these two not because of their boats, but because they are both excellent writers who are quite candid in their design choices. Good reads from incredibly knowledgeable owners.

Good luck

Peter

[slowgoesit]

hrk, First off:

Welcome to the Forum!

Secondly, please don't let a few posters discourage you from continuing to ask questions and learn. There are a lot of really great people here who are consistently willing to spend their time to help out other boaters. It constantly amazes me how much help they have been to my wife and I over the years!
As mentioned above, it would help if you could give us an idea of whether you are looking at new build, used, WELL used, etc.

Also, what your maintenance skills may be, as often there are boats for sale that are really good bargains if the new owner is willing to put in some sweat equity to bring them up to standards. It also helps them to get to know their boats, and so be better prepared to respond to issues if away from the dock.
Thirdly, if you go to "User CP" on the task bar, Select "Settings and Options", then "Edit Ignore List", make insertions as necessary. You may find the function useful to enhance your viewing enjoyment!

Best of luck in getting answers to your questions here on the forum!

[Scooby5959]

Originally Posted by hrk

We are a couple residing in washington DC. 60’s. newbie - transitioning from sailing to boating. Until recently, we owned 40’ Freedom for over twelve years and cruised between Cheasapeake bay and Penobscot bay in Maine. Most of last five years summer were spent down east Maine. As we got older, and wife got serious about retirement one day soon, we started thinking of transitioning to live-aboard life style. For living comfort and age issues, owning trawlers is where we are. We rented grand banks 46, few months ago and motored in San Juan islands -washington stage. Loved the experience, so we are now searching seriously for a boat. Our plans are to mostly stay on east coast, Maine to Florida and Bahamas in first year of being full-time cruiser but we do see ourselves, going to caribbean (we sailed there for quite a few years and love warm waters, different culture, food etc.) and some day cross panama canal and explore west coast too including Alaska. Being a newbie and having taken a decision to go for full displacement, new build of semi-custom boat, we look forward to advice from fellow trawlers on this forum on whole lot of issues as we embark on a new journey. Current home is washington DC.

Did you all actually read this ,these are people are looking to live aboard a boat cruise the East Coast for a while then take the boat maybe as far as through the Panama Canal and to Alaska . Can you explain to me why I was Chastised for recommending seahorse marine ,they also mentioned semi custom exactly what seahorse marine does . Buy whatever Boat you want a grand Banks or one of the other so-called trawlers doesn’t remotely fit the question they Posed .Can they be used for that purpose I suppose . They do offer nice creature comforts for protected waters but that’s not what they asked for

[Scooby5959]

Originally Posted by backinblue

Personal choice, I wouldn't want an old boat with unsually low hours. I'd rather have a boat that is used often and maintained properly. I'm trying to understand Scooby's point about finding boats that are still full of original fuel. Maybe I missed the point but why would this be a plus?

You seem like an intelligent guy .That was my point exactly why would you why would you let the Boat sit and rot in the first place. well that all too frequently is what happens that was my point .What a shame

[Porgy]

For gods sake give it a rest. This is the welcome mat. It’s not about you or anyone responding to you. For someone claiming to not be thin skinned, you are proving to be the dictionary definition of it. If you can read, The OP did not ask for a recommendation, from you or anyone else.

With a welcome mat, the stranger walks up, introduces themselves and says why they are there. The owner graciously welcomes them and invites them in.

But here, the prepubescent sibling rivals rush out the door past mom and dad and get into a scuffle over who took the last cookie. One continues with a tantrum long after it is clear they will never get the cookie.

The stranger smiles politely and says kids will be kids and passing through the door, rolls his eyes nearly out of their sockets.

[Scooby5959]

I’ll agree with you time to give it a rest not for your psychology 101 BS .I am on a soap box it is pointless this website drives me absolutely insane with horrible advice ,I’ve been in the bushes for years not wanted to comment .Have a lot time on my hands lately

[backinblue]

Originally Posted by Scooby5959

You seem like an intelligent guy .That was my point exactly why would you why would you let the Boat sit and rot in the first place. well that all too frequently is what happens that was my point .What a shame

Ok sorry, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying it was a good thing to find an old boat that hasn't been used. My bad, carry on.

[mvweebles]

Originally Posted by Scooby5959

Did you all actually read this ,these are people are looking to live aboard a boat cruise the East Coast for a while then take the boat maybe as far as through the Panama Canal and to Alaska . Can you explain to me why I was Chastised for recommending seahorse marine ,they also mentioned semi custom exactly what seahorse marine does . Buy whatever Boat you want a grand Banks or one of the other so-called trawlers doesn’t remotely fit the question they Posed .Can they be used for that purpose I suppose . They do offer nice creature comforts for protected waters but that’s not what they asked for

There are many, many, many suitable options - mind you that as a past delivery captain, I've been from Cabo to Alaska dozens of times, and from California to Florida twice. I personally believe that while the DD is certainly capable of completing the trip safely, it would not be in my top 10 if I had a choice. Chesapeake to Alaska is probably close to 6500-7000 nms (13k+ round trip). I'd want a DD for the 600nm leg up the Caribbean - roughly 5% of the trip. Not sure steel in warm waters would be my first choice, not sure Seahorse would be the builder of choice.

You are not chastised for advocating for a boat you admire, but rather the characterization of all else as somehow inadequate. That your opinion trumps all other.

Truth is that if I had $750k to spend on a boat to do offshore coastal work such as Alaska to Maine, would be a very difficult decision. No idea what I would chose but it would not be a DD. Wouldn't be the Willard 36 I already own but since I own it, I'll make the adjustment needed to take it. Same thing I'd do if I owned a GB42 or even a GB36. A guy I knew cruised sn old Uniflite 42 from SF to Costa Rica and back. If that's the boat I happened to own when time came to cruise, I'd make adjustments rather than go through time, expense, and brain damage of agonizing over the perfect boat. Point being is there are 100s of different styles, each one is perfect for someone. Apparently, the DD is perfect for Scooby. So perfect that it's inconceivable for him that anyone could arrive at a different selection. For me, I love boats and they are a passion. But in the end its not about the boat- its about the life you generate around it. Honestly, I have nothing negative to say about dock queens, especially if they are uses even if they never leave thr slip. Nothing wrong with hanging out on a boat in a marina if that's what you'd like to do. I once knew a young couple who bought an old sailboat and spent 3 years fixing it up at thr slip to head off cruising. They finally left and returned a few months later- they loved living on a boat but cruising was not their cup of tea.

The OP has the luxury (and burden) of a blank slate. I hope they continue to share their choices and adventures. Its fun to live through the eyes of others. I learn a lot.

Finally, I would bet good money that thr most common recreational vessel transiting the Panama Canal is not a trawler, not even a sailboat. But rather a sport fisher.

Peter