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Old 07-28-2020, 07:49 AM   #21
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Well Mr GFC you certainly stirred up a nest of hornets.

Personally, I am against commercialisation of national anthems, seems to cheapen the concept.

I have always thought that France has the best anthem.I don't know what exactly makes a great anthem but the french hit the bulls eye with the marseillaise.

Courtesy of one of my favourite movies.

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Mr. AG. Your post prompted me to look into other national anthems. Here is one person's opinion. I must say, they're all good but take particular note of the South African anthem. Interesting, laid back (to me at least) song.
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Mr. AG. Your post prompted me to look into other national anthems. Here is one person's opinion. I must say, they're all good but take particular note of the South African anthem. Interesting, laid back (to me at least) song.
Hi RT...your post prompted me to look into the history of O Canada and was much surprised by what I didn't know:

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Can anyone explain why the national anthem is played before sporting events in America? What does patriotism have to do with sports, professional or otherwise? I fail to see what playing a stick and ball game has to do with love of country......
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Greetings,
Mr. WH. Answered in post #'s 16/17, I think.
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Just FYI, the kneeling during the anthem is not about the flag. The aim is to bring attention to systemic racism in our country.
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The NFL and it's teams are a business. The players are hired under contract. Find it hard to believe there isn't a moral turpitude clause in the contract regarding behavior on and off the field. Simply make it known that standing and proper observance of the national anthem procedures is required as part of employment. While waivers may be granted at the discretion of the team and league, violators will be fined 1/2 a days pay (annual salary ÷16) for unauthorized variances.

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Yes it is about the flag and the anthem. This is how they get a reaction from the spectators.

They are using the flag and anthem as a political tool. One could say that the team owners are also using the flag and anthem as a tool.

If they really wanted attention that involved actual personal sacrifice, they could kneel when the football is snapped, when a pitch is thrown, during a jump ball,a face off or a scorching serve. Kneeling during the flag and anthem is Kabuki theatre.

The American flag and anthem has turned into a jingoistic sales gimmick or anti-establishment lever.
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Just FYI, the kneeling during the anthem is not about the flag. The aim is to bring attention to systemic racism in our country.
I would like to point out that kneeling has worked, because people are talking about it and once in a while the original reason percolates through the noise.
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Mr. WH. Answered in post #'s 16/17, I think.
That’s why we started 75 years ago, but why are we still doing it in 2020? Is it because we feel a need to overcompensate? Like those “we’re number 1” chants when we haven’t been number 1 in much of anything good in decades?

It is sad to see a country so obviously in decline while it’s citizenry loudly proclaims that things are just fine and that nothing has changed.
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That’s why we started 75 years ago, but why are we still doing it in 2020? Is it because we feel a need to overcompensate? Like those “we’re number 1” chants when we haven’t been number 1 in much of anything good in decades?

It is sad to see a country so obviously in decline while it’s citizenry loudly proclaims that things are just fine and that nothing has changed.
My sister-in-law's husband, from England, grew up when the sun never set on the British Empire.

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I have no first hand knowledge, only anecdotal but I'm not sure this is totally correct. Of course it might depend on which parameters you are comparing.
You would be right. And it is sinking fast.
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Yes it is about the flag and the anthem. This is how they get a reaction from the spectators.

They are using the flag and anthem as a political tool. One could say that the team owners are also using the flag and anthem as a tool.

If they really wanted attention that involved actual personal sacrifice, they could kneel when the football is snapped, when a pitch is thrown, during a jump ball,a face off or a scorching serve. Kneeling during the flag and anthem is Kabuki theatre.

The American flag and anthem has turned into a jingoistic sales gimmick or anti-establishment lever.

There will never be a comfortable time for white folks to be reminded about our country’s continuing racism problem. For us to tell people they should protest during a time that upsets us less is at best tone deaf, and at worst amplifies our current racist policies.

It may be Kabuki theatre to you, but it’s a matter of life and death to the protestors.
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[QUOTE=MurrayM;905241]]My sister-in-law's husband from England, grew up when the sun never set on the British Empire

Your brother, or your brothers ex wife?
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]My sister-in-law's husband from England, grew up when the sun never set on the British Empire

Your brother, or your brothers ex wife?
Or his wife's sister's husband.
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Or his wife's sister's husband.
Bingo.

My nieces wife went away and now she has a husband. Flexible times
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About the response I expected. Patriotism comes in many forms. Your is one, albeit quite simplistic and narrow-minded. I'll match my patriotism against yours any day. Perhaps you were a young man during the Viet Nam years. Your words are quite similar to those expressed against all those Commie kids protesting the war except today we know it was all a waste. Same with Iraq. By the way my father was against the Viet Nam war from the outset. Yet, he was a guy, a sailor, manning a machine gun mowing down more than a few Japs trying to retake the recently-taken airfield on Bougainville. He fought in three Pacific campaigns. He was a patriot. I have two sons who have served, one still active duty, a lifer. So ......
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Maybe I have gotten confused by all of the double negatives, but THIS rabid patriot is diametrically opposed to your opinion, and in complete agreement with that of the OP. I won't be watching any kneeling or listening to any alternative national anthem (or even watching any movies staring leftists -- not because I am boycotting, but now that I know their extreme political views, they are type cast for me and I cannot believe them in the role of a normal person).
Edit -- having read more of your post, I think everyone would be better off if you moved away. Hopefully, you will find some country that will take you.
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Please don't move away unless you want to. I support the concept that one doesn't need to accept everything about their country to be a "patriot" and to be welcomed to stay. In fact, the people who stay and work to change things get my full respect. It always sounds a little off to me to hear "love it or leave it." What did people fight for? The right to say "yes sir, whatever you say sir, or I'll meekly leave my country"?

To me the spirit of the USA (if there is one spirit) is a certain vibrancy and energy to change, improve, go-and-do-and-be. That's when we shine. Not marching lockstep.

I'm sure there are many US citizens here who don't think as I do. I would never say we would all be better off if they moved away, even if I might think to myself at certain moments. Diversity is one of our strengths (and could be even better).

(Of course we did score big time when certain scientists, doctors, and intellectuals left their own country and came here to the US, so I guess if people like you leave, other countries will reap the benefit.)
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Found this.

The*tradition of*playing the*"Star Spangled Banner"*at sporting events*dates back to 1918, when a live band*played the song during the*seventh inning of*the*first*game*of*the*World Series between*the*Chicago Cubs and*the*Boston Red Sox.
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What exactly is the point of playing the national anthem prior to a sporting event anyways?

It's actually a holdover from WW2 baseball.

Maybe it's time to stop the tradition. Pull the stage from the actors. Judge them on how well they play the sport and not their politics. Heck a lot of them aren't even Americans.

Play the national anthem at functions and occasions where it is appropriate.
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I can think of few things more un-American than the way "Patriot" is often used these days. At least in the 1970s we had a sense of humor. Remember Archie Bunker?
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