Washington State Drilling Permits

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

I read this and laughed. They can ban a permit for oil drilling, but only 3nm off shore. That is where State control ends.....


Washington State Likely to Deny Permits for Trump Administration's Offshore Drilling Plan – gCaptain

 

[tiltrider1]

There is a balance of power between the Washington’s. The state could stop the oil trains and the coal trains and the oil tankers. This wouldn’t be good for anybody so hopefully we won’t get in a pissing contest.

Right now I live in a state that is suing the fed on every front, hammering the middle class with tax increases on every subject and is doling out more money on homeless and drug addicts than street repair. Soon I will have to move to California for financial relief.

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

There is a balance of power between the Washington’s. The state could stop the oil trains and the coal trains and the oil tankers. This wouldn’t be good for anybody so hopefully we won’t get in a pissing contest.

Right now I live in a state that is suing the fed on every front, hammering the middle class with tax increases on every subject and is doling out more money on homeless and drug addicts than street repair. Soon I will have to move to California for financial relief.

Not trains, tracks are federally controlled.

 

[tiltrider1]

Tracks are, loads are not.

Don’t get me wrong. This state is out of control. I’m not promoting a fight. Just saying this state is dumb enough to take on the feds. They didn’t win the travel ban fight but they are still spending my money fighting trump. They have slowed trump down. All on my dime as usual.

I suspect Trump is just using the drilling to punish for the immigration fight.

 

[FlyWright]

Let's keep the politics out of it lest we be forced to move this to OTDE.

Thanks folks...

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

Opps I forgot about that. Thanks

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

Tracks are, loads are not.

Not sure about that. ie., Oregon and Washington has tried to stop coal trains from using tracks within the States but were unable too. See coal everyday heading to Canada for shipment overseas.

 

[GFC]

After reading last year about the battle over coal trains and the problems associated with moving coal over rails, I walked about a quarter mile of the track the coal trains use. I was specifically looking for the coal dust that supposedly was blowing off the rail cars and landing on the ground next to the tracks.


I found zero coal dust. And this was along a track that long coal trains pass over several times a day. Kinda makes one scratch his head wondering where they are coming up with that dreaded hazard.

 

[tiltrider1]

Ok, I am going to respect the politics request. It’s back to discussing what engines are better Cats or Detroits with Seaduction now.

If you want to know about how much coal dust blows off the trains come look at my boat. Eight coal trains a day come buy and after a month it’s supprising. The stuff is gritty and a bit sticky, stains everything.

Cats are better than Detroit’s! LOL.

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

purrrrrrrr!!! LOL

 

[aboatman]

It's hard not to talk about politics when it affects more and more of our everyday lives. Laws are politically based.

There has to be a balance between our hoped for standard of living and the environment. We don't want our rivers catching fire but at the same time we need energy to warm our homes and cook our food.

States spending taxpayer money to sue the Federal government is not productive, especially when the Federal government has to spend taxpayer money to defend the lawsuits. Only the lawyers are winning.

 

[GoneFarrell]

GFC, I have looked for the coal dust as well, on the tracks that run through the gorge. Even when I walked them right after a coal train went by, didn't see much. But I have read similar that it is a problem.

A little searching finds this by BNSF:
"How extensive is the coal dust problem?
The amount of coal dust that escapes from PRB coal trains is surprisingly large. While the amount of
coal dust that escapes from a particular coal car depends on a number of factors, including the
weather, BNSF has done studies indicating that from 500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single
loaded coal car. Other reports have indicated that as much as 3% of the coal loaded into a coal car
can be lost in transit. In many areas, a thick layer of black coal dust can be observed along the railroad
right of way and in between the tracks. Given the high volume of loaded coal trains that move each day
in the PRB, large amounts of coal dust accumulate rapidly along the PRB rail lines."

Ref:http://www.beyondtoxics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BNSF-Coal-Dust-FAQs.pdf

Lots of interesting info there from a railroad's perspective.

The coal trains don't bug me as much as the oil and ethanol trains through the gorge, they are much more hazard in a derailment than coal. Had a big problem with that on the Oregon side not too long ago.

 

[FlyWright]

It's hard not to talk about politics when it affects more and more of our everyday lives. Laws are politically based.

There has to be a balance between our hoped for standard of living and the environment. We don't want our rivers catching fire but at the same time we need energy to warm our homes and cook our food.

States spending taxpayer money to sue the Federal government is not productive, especially when the Federal government has to spend taxpayer money to defend the lawsuits. Only the lawyers are winning.

If you MUST talk politics, please take it to Off The Deep End. It's verbotten in all other sections of Trawler Forum. It's just the way we roll....and it's what you agreed to in the Community Rules.

Thanks!

 

[aboatman]

Just delete my post. I didn't start this discussion.

 

[GFC]

Am I missing something? I'm seeing a debate over coal trains, with no mention of political party.


Because one person is in favor of coal trains and another against them doesn't make it a political discussion any more than one person in favor of Cat engines and some dummy against them. Just kidding, of course, but just because people differ in their opinions doesn't necessarily make it a political discussion.

 

[GFC]

A little searching finds this by BNSF:
"How extensive is the coal dust problem?
The amount of coal dust that escapes from PRB coal trains is surprisingly large. While the amount of
coal dust that escapes from a particular coal car depends on a number of factors, including the
weather, BNSF has done studies indicating that from 500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single
loaded coal car. Other reports have indicated that as much as 3% of the coal loaded into a coal car
can be lost in transit. In many areas, a thick layer of black coal dust can be observed along the railroad
right of way and in between the tracks. Given the high volume of loaded coal trains that move each day
in the PRB, large amounts of coal dust accumulate rapidly along the PRB rail lines.".

I'm not sure what PRB stands for, but I was surprised by this data. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[GoneFarrell]

That would be the Powder River Basin.

Methinks a lot of this dust blows off out there, maybe that is why I don't see much of it on the trackbeds in the gorge.

 

[kthoennes]

Wonder how that Washington State official got to work that day - I'll bet she didn't pedal a unicycle. Kind of the same thing with all the Standing Rock protesters, funny, they all drove cars and trucks to the protest camp, and heated their tents and shacks with oil derivatives. The irony seemed to escape every one of them.

 

[FF]

"Soon I will have to move to California for financial relief."

When arriving be sure to get the latest " homeless Poop in the Streets Guide book", and bring rubber boots , just in case.

 

[catalinajack]

"Soon I will have to move to California for financial relief."

When arriving be sure to get the latest " homeless Poop in the Streets Guide book", and bring rubber boots , just in case.

In San Diego the streets are swept twice each month. How many folks live in places where the streets are swept even once per year?

 

[folivier]

Here where I live we have a large transport facility that unloads coal from barges and has large conveyors over the road along the Mississippi River then dumps it into a pile. Then loads it onto ships for overseas. The ditch just outside of their fence is always full of black water. The company says that is from the previous owner and they're not responsible for cleaning the water. But the stockpiled coal is 10' or so from the ditch and every time it rains (which is quite often) runoff from the coal enters the ditch! With our humidity we don't get much if any dust from them but we do get the coal into our ditches. Thankfully our subdivision is higher than them.

 

[aboatman]

Wonder how that Washington State official got to work that day - I'll bet she didn't pedal a unicycle. Kind of the same thing with all the Standing Rock protesters, funny, they all drove cars and trucks to the protest camp, and heated their tents and shacks with oil derivatives. The irony seemed to escape every one of them.

Exactly. And for those folks dumb enough to believe that electric cars are "non-polluting". Someone should tell them that in most cases, electricity is produced by burning fossil fuel so all they are doing is moving the pollution to someone else's neighborhood. Someone poorer that they are.

The bottom line is, humans cause pollution. The earth was in balance until the humans came along. The solution of course is to get rid of the humans.

Otherwise, it's got to be a compromise between the needs of the humans and the needs of the environment.

 

[aboatman]

Am I missing something? I'm seeing a debate over coal trains, with no mention of political party.


Because one person is in favor of coal trains and another against them doesn't make it a political discussion any more than one person in favor of Cat engines and some dummy against them. Just kidding, of course, but just because people differ in their opinions doesn't necessarily make it a political discussion.

Thank You!

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

So in your part of the water how will the State ( my part of the water, California, Oregon and Washington) handle new water regulations in an attempt to stop drilling off the State's shore?


How would these new regulations affect your boating pleasure?


So if you see oil drilling rigs out 25 miles from shore does the State have any control over that?

 

[aboatman]

So in your part of the water how will the State ( my part of the water, California, Oregon and Washington) handle new water regulations in an attempt to stop drilling off the State's shore?


How would these new regulations affect your boating pleasure?


So if you see oil drilling rigs out 25 miles from shore does the State have any control over that?

The state shouldn't have control 25 miles off their shores.

And if our country has oil offshore but chooses not to extract it, either our price for oil will go up or our standard of living will go down. Considering that we have safe ways of extracting it, it would be foolish to leave it in the ground and buy oil from other countries.

 

[catalinajack]

The state shouldn't have control 25 miles off their shores.

And if our country has oil offshore but chooses not to extract it, either our price for oil will go up or our standard of living will go down. Considering that we have safe ways of extracting it, it would be foolish to leave it in the ground and buy oil from other countries.

We are already self-sufficient and have no need to purchase foreign oil.