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04-07-2018, 05:32 PM
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ban may be keeping some from entering marine industry
In a time when its all about jobs, I saw this coming. My son tested positive for pot and was let go from a fishing boat. Sad, but Federal vs State. Please lets not turn this political I don't want to go to Deep End Jail!!
https://www.workboat.com/news/govern...ent=newsletter
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04-07-2018, 05:48 PM
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Where do you expect it to go with that post?
You brought up fed vs state...isnt that a political discussion by nature?
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04-07-2018, 05:48 PM
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I understand that some companies are ending marijuana testing as too many applicants are testing positive.
It's unfortunate that testing only picks up use of pot and not in the person is impaired.
Jim
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04-07-2018, 05:54 PM
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I guess the simple question is, "Would you want your son working for someone (captain) who tested positive for drugs". Commercial fishing is dangerous enough without the guy working next to you being high.
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04-07-2018, 05:56 PM
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Federal or State, hiring companies often have their own policies, background checks, etc. It's all a condition of employment, agreed to up front when you take the job. And of course it's mandatory for any form of marine license, US or international. Was having a ticket a requirement for the job?
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04-07-2018, 06:03 PM
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I agree with everyone. I asked my son what the hell was he thinking? As more and more states adopt pot to add money to their budget, this type of work may run into an employment crisis.....It will be interesting to watch.
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04-07-2018, 06:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
I guess the simple question is, "Would you want your son working for someone (captain) who tested positive for drugs". Commercial fishing is dangerous enough without the guy working next to you being high.
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The disconnect, however, is that a positive test has nothing to do with whether the employee is 'high'. All it means is that the employee used the drug (in this case pot) within whatever the testing period is. If the employee isn't under the influence when he comes on board and doesn't smoke while on board the boat, is he really a negative impact on the safety of the boat?
I'll confess that in my 58 years, I have never (at least yet) tried pot. I do wonder, however, what is the real difference between pot and alcohol use. (Keeping in mind that most real science, no longer considers pot to be a gateway to other drug use.)
Jim
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04-07-2018, 06:19 PM
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Testing positive for pot does not mean you are high. It only means you were high at some time in the past. You can test positive a month after smoking and not have had any since. For sure if you have reason to suspect that an employee is high on the job do something about it but doing a pee test will not tell you if they are currently high. I can come to work having drunk a six pack 8 hours ago and be terribly hung over but god forbid if I smoked a joint a week ago. I supervise captains and deckhands and they are subject to random and pre-emplloyment testing. Personally I don't care if they smoke a joint once in a while just not on the job. They will definitely lose their jobs though if they test positive for pot. I think it is unfair and an invasion of privacy.
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04-07-2018, 06:22 PM
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Damn, I'm sorry for you & your son.
The fishing fleet here on the Chesapeake has a zero tolerance policy & random testing so if you test positive for any substance, there's no second chance. Yet if you get a DUI or DWI, you can retain your job if you get a good lawyer & enroll in an AA program. Just dumb IMO but I realize the company has rules & if you're going to work for someone, you need to follow their rules. Period.
Another life lesson learned by your son. Whatever you do, be a supportive parent! I'm sure you already are,though.
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04-07-2018, 06:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ak-guy
Testing positive for pot does not mean you are high. It only means you were high at some time in the past. You can test positive a month after smoking and not have had any since. For sure if you have reason to suspect that an employee is high on the job do something about it but doing a pee test will not tell you if they are currently high. I can come to work having drunk a six pack 8 hours ago and be terribly hung over but god forbid if I smoked a joint a week ago. I supervise captains and deckhands and they are subject to random and pre-emplloyment testing. Personally I don't care if they smoke a joint once in a while just not on the job. They will definitely lose their jobs though if they test positive for pot. I think it is unfair and an invasion of privacy.
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Exactly
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04-07-2018, 06:30 PM
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I get it all and risked my life more than I can remember in the drug war...so I have a horse in the race.
I also have people close to me benefiting from medical marijuana.
It is painful to me to see the absolute insanity of this countries policies and attitudes involving all levels of drugs.
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04-07-2018, 06:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JLD
The disconnect, however, is that a positive test has nothing to do with whether the employee is 'high'. All it means is that the employee used the drug (in this case pot) within whatever the testing period is. If the employee isn't under the influence when he comes on board and doesn't smoke while on board the boat, is he really a negative impact on the safety of the boat?
Jim
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There is a difference.
Alcohol is legal and it's ok to use it in your off time, just not be impaired when you come to work.
Pot is illegal all the time for this job (until the law is changed). So it's not about whether you use it at work or not, it's about whether you follow work place employment rules. If you're not going to follow the rules, does that mean you're more likely to come to work still buzzed from the night before? I don't know.
Ted
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04-07-2018, 07:15 PM
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The drug testing policies of most companies have makes no sense.
Marijuana can be detected for much longer than any other drug, even though its probably the least harmful. The most common testing detects pot for up to 4 weeks after in has been smoked. This compares to only 24-48 hours for other much harsher drugs like crystal meth. This is one of the reasons that the use of crystal methamphetamine has increased so much.
There are new saliva tests that will detect levels of drugs in the system which will impair a person's ability to work/drive etc. The South Australian traffic police use this, but almost all companies still use the old urine tests.
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04-07-2018, 07:33 PM
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My chief engineer son is employed by the largest, best paying shipping company in the world. Crewmembers are subject to random drug testing in any part at any time. A positive test means you are history. What is at stake is the company losing it's multi-million dollar insurance policy. Is it worth it to lose your job and your ticket, just to get high?
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04-07-2018, 07:35 PM
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ban may be keeping some from entering marine industry
The standard test is a hair sample 1.5” from the follicle. That tests up to 3 months of exposure as hair grows on average 0.5” per month. It’s going to be moot soon in Canada.
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04-07-2018, 07:47 PM
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First the government made testing mandatory for my pilots and mechanics. Then my insurance company made testing mandatory for any one who had access to the flight line. If you tested positive for anything including alcohol you were done. We all know alcohol pass thru the system quickly and pot does not. This just makes pot high risk for your career. Even if the feds make it legal i’m Not so sure the insurance companies are going to back off.
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04-07-2018, 08:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
I agree with everyone. I asked my son what the hell was he thinking? As more and more states adopt pot to add money to their budget, this type of work may run into an employment crisis.....It will be interesting to watch.
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Starbucks used to not allow any visible tattoos or facial piercing. They may have had to change that policy as they find it harder to find potential employers that qualify.
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04-07-2018, 08:10 PM
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seems like half of all Americans are on some kind of long term drug.
only after decades are some of the side effects truly known.
just seems crazy that some drugs are considered OK and others arent...and sure I know someone draws the line...
just seems like its way off course though.....
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04-07-2018, 08:23 PM
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When it comes to employment, I don't think zero tolerance is all that bad. An employee just has to decide if it's worth the money. It does make me laugh though. Usually you see an employer maybe paying more for a higher health risk job. Here we have employers maybe paying more to employees with a healthier life style.
Ted
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I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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04-07-2018, 08:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
There is a difference. [snip] So it's not about whether you use it at work or not, it's about whether you follow work place employment rules.
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+1. Thank you.
Just because you don't like the law/rules doesn't mean you can break them as long as you have some emotional argument. I may or may not agree with you, but it doesn't matter. If you don't like the law, get it changed. Period.
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