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03-15-2020, 07:19 PM
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Senior Member
City: Oriental
Vessel Name: Delphina
Vessel Model: President 43
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Which type anchor?
I have as 43 ft president trawler. My boating is done in waters that the anchor would rest in mud . Whst is the best anchor type and size ? Thanks
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03-15-2020, 07:28 PM
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Senior Member
City: Oriental
Vessel Name: Delphina
Vessel Model: President 43
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I have 30 ft of chain the rest is line
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03-15-2020, 07:29 PM
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City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
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I have had poor results in sloppy mud with a standard danforth and plow anchors, but a Fortress in the "mud" position grabbed instantly and held like a bulldog. Shovel like the SuperMax aso do well.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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03-15-2020, 08:12 PM
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Senior Member
City: Long Beach Ca
Vessel Name: Freebird
Vessel Model: 1997 Mainship 350
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rgano
I have had poor results in sloppy mud with a standard danforth and plow anchors, but a Fortress in the "mud" position grabbed instantly and held like a bulldog. Shovel like the SuperMax aso do well.
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I modified my West Marine Performance anchor (Danforth copy) by enlarging the slot that determines the angle of the flukes to open to 45 degrees like the fortress. It does work in slop fantastically. This is my "Mud" anchor. the local bay here in Long Beach Ca is thick mud to soup. It holds very well. Not adjustable like the Fortress however It was a spare and I dont have to pay for a fortress.
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03-15-2020, 08:24 PM
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City: Southport, FL near Panama City
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Great idea with enlarging the slot, but now the anchor is not so useful in sand. The aluminum Fortress is SO much easier to deal with. I carry a disassembled one in my bilge in this lil boat on the off chance I ever need to have a second anchor in a big blow. I had three big Fortress anchors as part of my hurricane hole plan on my trawler, all bought on eBay at reasonable prices.
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Rich Gano
FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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03-15-2020, 08:27 PM
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City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
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03-15-2020, 08:32 PM
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Senior Member
City: Long Beach Ca
Vessel Name: Freebird
Vessel Model: 1997 Mainship 350
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As I stated in my post this is my Mud anchor. I only use it in the soup and mud.
My standard anchor is an original Bruce.
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03-15-2020, 08:33 PM
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Senior Member
City: Long Beach Ca
Vessel Name: Freebird
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
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03-15-2020, 08:38 PM
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Senior Member
City: Oriental
Vessel Name: Delphina
Vessel Model: President 43
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 289
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What about a roncar
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03-15-2020, 08:49 PM
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City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
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I have a Fortress FX37 on our President 41 as the backup anchor and for mud. We bought a refurb one that looked brand new and had a new warranty but was quite a bit cheaper.
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03-15-2020, 10:49 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KEVMAR
What about a roncar
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You mean Rocna? Nah. Try one of these:
Super Sarca.
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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03-15-2020, 11:03 PM
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Senior Member
City: Oriental
Vessel Name: Delphina
Vessel Model: President 43
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What do you use fir your main anchor
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03-15-2020, 11:31 PM
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City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
You mean Rocna? Nah. Try one of these:
Super Sarca.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KEVMAR
What do you use fir your main anchor
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That there is a Super-Sarca, (aka sand and rock combination anchor), and it does for everything..! Take our word for it, eh Bruce..?
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03-15-2020, 11:53 PM
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City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
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Fortress for mud. Lightweight and designed correctly - I recommend one size up from what's recommended [as I recommend for every anchor purchased].
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03-16-2020, 01:14 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter B
That there is a Super-Sarca, (aka sand and rock combination anchor), and it does for everything..! Take our word for it, eh Bruce..?
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Sure is. It should come out of the mud nicely using the sliding slot. Mine`s at home, waiting for the Integrity 386 to arrive from Melbourne.
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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03-16-2020, 02:24 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KEVMAR
What do you use fir your main anchor
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We have a 44 pound Delta. It took quite a bit of grinding on our bow pulpit to get it to fit. A PO put a sheet of S/S on the bottom of the pulpit and it was tough to grind it open enough to fit the 44 Delta. No way to possibly fit a rollbar anchor. So far the Delta has been good. We have the FX37 as a backup and for soft mud, never had it in the water yet but have used Fortress anchors on previous boats with good results.
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03-16-2020, 04:24 AM
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City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Sure is. It should come out of the mud nicely using the sliding slot. Mine`s at home, waiting for the Integrity 386 to arrive from Melbourne.
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Okaaay, Bruce. So you took the plunge eh? Doriana is gone, and Integrity 386 soon to arrive. Congratulations. You kept the S-Sarca, so presumably you have checked it will fit the Integrity pulpit design. Does it have a name yet, and of course we'll expect photos. I must say if I had been in a position to get a much newer boat, the Integrity series was right up there.
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03-16-2020, 06:03 AM
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MUD is soft so requires large surface area , an H series Danforth would be first choice.
20H, 35H or 60H depending on boat
Probably the 60H would be sleep well anchr for a high windage boat.
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03-16-2020, 06:22 AM
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City: Annapolis
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Our Chesapeake mud ranges from hard (sometimes) to soft (usually) to slimy soup (not uncommon). An oversized Delta didn't work all that time, an original "right-sized" Danforth worked sometimes...
But we've had best luck with Fortress (usually on the mud angle) and the adjustable SuperMAX. Latter is our primary, and we've never had to change the setting to soup. This one is adjustable while in the roller.
The Fortress always works too, but changing the angle needs complete disassembly/reassembly, and it stows flat better, hence it's our backup... and kedge. We've never had a problem with it when currents reversed; usually it's buried so deep the change in direction doesn't seem to matter.
Fortress published their Chesapeake mud tests here on the forum and you should be able to find those. I tried to get them to include a SuperMAX, offered to loan ours, but there are some other issues at the time so they demurred.
-Chris
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03-16-2020, 09:08 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
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The other theory of holding is a good anchor will dig through the soup till it hits dense enough bottom to hold. Just because a Fortress et all stops digging is it meets the resistance required...but could still be in soupy mud....
As the pulling increases...it digs until the needed resistance is met.
Other anchors,depending on which ones, will just go deeper quicker...eventuall meeting the required resistance.
Yes there are better soupy mud anchors than others, but that doesn't rule out all the others.
One part of anchoring, the part that some call the "art" of anchoring...is don't pick an anchorage of soupy mud on a night when it's gonna blow.
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