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Old 09-27-2023, 10:59 AM   #1
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Second Anchor placement ?

I'm on a 48' Californian/Carver MY with a anchor pulpit that seems to be able to support 2 anchors. Has anyone figured out how to mount a second anchor here? I would like to mount a second fluke anchor on the front.

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Old 09-27-2023, 11:36 AM   #2
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Looks like there is no roller forward of the existing anchor. Once you somehow added one, It would interfere with your existing Rocna. Looks like it was designed to use only one anchor. The eye forward lets the Rocna pull into place easily.

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Old 09-27-2023, 12:23 PM   #3
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Looks like there is no roller forward of the existing anchor. Once you somehow added one, It would interfere with your existing Rocna. Looks like it was designed to use only one anchor. The eye forward lets the Rocna pull into place easily.

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Correct there is no roller forward of the existing anchor. One would need to be added.

The Rocna goes up and down without any part going into any part of the front eye. See my line below. That's why I thought it was made for 2 anchors. Looks like if the fluke was up first the Rocna would be ok to be deployed and retrieved without issue.

Probably need to build a cardboard model and see what I can come up with. I'm hoping someone as already solved the issues of the second roller and how and where it mount it.

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Old 09-27-2023, 01:17 PM   #4
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To The Bockerts:

Seems like a LOT of effort to solve (in my opinion, IMHO) a non-problem. What are you trying to accomplish? How many times do you think you'll have to choose between a fluke anchor and the Rocna? If the Rocna drags, methinks you've got the wrong size Rocna, too little scope, or attempting to anchor in an inappropriate place, or conditions don't warrant anchoring anyway.

Trying to rig two anchors for simultaneous use is an even bigger problem, as your existing windlass and chain locker setup isn't designed for that purpose.
IMHO, Your pulpit looks good in pictures, but just isn't practical to provide actual simultaneous (or even selective) choice of anchors. No chain stopper, no dual-gypsy windlass, no segmented anchor locker, no second hawsepipe, etc. And I'm not even addressing the pulpit strength required to deploy from that forward hole.

Again IMHO, should you REALLY need a secondary anchor, keep it in the lazarette, along with an appropriate chain rode and braited anchor line, ready for use when needed. Then, haul it out, deploy it by hand, and live with the incumbent difficulty of retrieving it when you're back underway. A second roller forward may ease that retrieval, but any additional work to house and/or deploy that second anchor from the bow seems like a solution to a non-existent problem.

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Old 09-27-2023, 03:01 PM   #5
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What are you trying to accomplish?
That's the questions I should have answered up front. I'm looking mainly at storage and not for simultaneous or regular use. Storage anywhere that requires me(or Admiral) picking it up is out of the question. My spine is bolted together with steel rods and plates from the top down and the bottom up. I'd like to store it where it could be deployed, in an emergency mode, by just connecting the existing chain rode to it and dropping it.

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Old 09-27-2023, 03:12 PM   #6
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Seems like a LOT of effort to solve (in my opinion, IMHO) a non-problem. What are you trying to accomplish? How many times do you think you'll have to choose between a fluke anchor and the Rocna?
What he said.

Unless you're a sailor in the 1970's there's no reason for 2 bow anchors, not with today's modern designs. Back then the only choices were CQR, Bruce or Danforth. Oh, lest I forget, occasionally a 100lb Fisherman in the hold for "storms"

Those days are over. Choose an anchor that makes you smile (even if it is Spongebob's fisherman), oversize it, and be happy.

However, keeping a lightweight aluminum Fortress in your lazarette for stern-work is a great idea.
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Old 09-28-2023, 08:55 AM   #7
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I modified my teak pulpit as shown to carry 2 anchors. First pic is a mock up I did in my garage at home. Second is shown during a cruise.
I realize your pulpit is fiberglass, but maybe this will give you some ideas.
Yes, the second anchor is off to the side, but it never created a problem on those occasions that I deployed both or deployed only the off-center anchor due to bottom makeup.
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My GB 46 held 2 anchors on the pulpit. In 15 years of active cruising I never used the second anchor. Primary was an Rocna. And, we anchored all up and down the east coast.
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My simple solution was to mount the Fortress along the lifelines to be easily accessed in the small chance it needs to be deployed. Rode and chain is nearby when underway. Otherwise stored out of site.
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I realize your pulpit is fiberglass, but maybe this will give you some ideas.
Thanks, I'm looking for ideas

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Old 09-28-2023, 01:12 PM   #11
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I have my spare anchor at the bottom of the lazarete. I think it has been there thru multiple owners.
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The first thing to do, if you haven’t already done it, is to get a Fortress anchor since they are so light. On our last boat I mounted the Fortress on the bow rail above the primary anchor. I made some brackets out of Starboard thet held the stock in place on the top of the pulpit rail. Then used a chain snubber to hold the shank in place. I could still use the primary anchor with the Fortress in place. In order to use the Fortress I could unclip it, attach the backup rode and launch it overboard. I kept some S/S tie wraps in the bow locker to safety the shackle to the anchor. Unfortunately I don’t have a close up photo of it. This is the best photo I have.
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On our last boat I mounted the Fortress on the bow rail above the primary anchor. I made some brackets out of Starboard that held the stock in place on the top of the pulpit rail. Then used a chain snubber to hold the shank in place.
Great idea, I was thinking about putting it up there somehow but was having second thoughts. I'm moving forward with this idea, thanks.

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I used something like this for securing the shank to the deck. I used the bracket and the pin to go through the hole in the end of the shank. I just threw away the swivel part that locks into the chain.

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Great idea, I was thinking about putting it up there somehow but was having second thoughts. I'm moving forward with this idea, thanks.

I've seen ready-made bow rail brackets for Danforth-style anchors somewhere...,

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I added an additional roller to my pulpit by drilling a hole on each side of the opening, inserting a 1/2" bolt across it which passed through bronze bushings and a roller. This was aft of the primary roller and the purpose was to prevent the chain from rubbing on the pulpit ahead of the windlass but you could do something similar and then secure the stock of the new anchor off to one side to allow the primary anchor to come up.

What does the underside of the pulpit look like?, it is a bit easier if the pulpit is not flush and finished on the underside so you can hide the bolt heads easier and avoid drilling through a cored structure. There are pictures of mine in this thread:

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...ect-57784.html
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You can get brackets for Rocna anchors that fit on the bow (or stern) rails. They are made in China and cost about £50 - 60. I almost bought one and then decided the Roman I have is good enough alone. The Fortress is in a locker in the Cockpit partly dismantled (that's the faith I have in my Rocna) but ready to be assembled in a minute or two if needed. Chain and rope rode attached.
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