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Old 02-05-2020, 10:33 PM   #1
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Interesting Anchors

A new thread to rival "Interesting Boats". And especially for Eric:
The Flook Flying Anchor: https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats...anchors/216432
Hours of fun for all the family! At a bargain price too.
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Old 02-05-2020, 10:59 PM   #2
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OK I'll bite,
Here's one that's self explanitory in every way.
A mod but not mine.

The anchor is a Forfjord .. a favorite among fishermen in Alaska. I think they are think'in w their other end when favoring this anchor. I'm not impressed but the fishermen are. I was too (at first) and bought a 25lb fjord assuming they were right. Couldn't get it to set. Not at all. Put out my 13lb Danforth S and hooked right up. I had told a guy in Thorne Bay about getting one and he was elated to buy mine for $25. Buck a pound. Can't remember what I paid for it.
In Steve G's Anchor Setting Vids the fjord worked a little better. Not good though. IMO a Navy or Dreadnought anchor is much better.

Despite the affection from fishermen they have a rep for dragging and some skippers weld ears on the fluke sides as shown in my pic taken in Craig Ak. They call them mud ___. I think they only help in the softest mud. And on harder bottoms they probably are not a plus at all.

To balance my sour opinion perhaps some user could offer a higher opinion of this anchor.
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Eric, that Forfjord just looks like a typical low performance stockless. Perhaps if you sharpened the flukes then it might actually dig in.

You might want to experiment with a welded up Northill. Not the folding seaplane versions.

In SE Asia I saw basically all the fishing fleet and river barges equipped with them. Usually welded up from channel and I-beam sections and plate. Heavy with sharpened flukes - they seem to work great. With a short leader of very heavy chain attached then I doubt the rode would get wrapped around the protruding stock. When I get my next boat I will definitely experiment with one.
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Mako,
You say welded heavy Northil anchors work better than sheetmetal sea plane Northils?

Hard to imagine an anchor that is heaver not working better. But then itís heavier and must be judged and compared w all the anchors of that weight. No? That would mean the Fortress would have almost no holding power. We classify anchors by weight. Would it be better to maximize fluke area? Some very knowledgeable people including at least one manufacturer say holding power is basically directly proportional to holding power. Sounds smart but there is more to it. But when they conceived the sea plane anchor low weight or high holding power per pound was obviously the design goal. The stocks fold so it can be stored on deck of hung on a bulkhead. Iím in the camp that says if it sets it wins the ballgame. But weight has a lot to to w dependable setting. Most ships have stockless or/and Navy anchors.
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Mako You want home made and big .....

A lot (probably most) of these "home made" anchors in BC and SE Alaska are probably made in a town weld/fab shop. Lot's of fishermen could/would say "oh that's Art Johnson's anchor from over in Wrangell". I've never seen one differ much from the original Northill. Things like fluke angle are probably measured .. not guessed. So I would say they are just trying to get something that works w/o spending bucks. But some may be welded up from high carbon steel ??? Had some lay'in around sort of thing. Fishermen fairly often paint their boats w house paint and I've never seen a Rocna on a fish boat.

Oh don'cha like the way he avoided the extra overhang moorage?
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To balance my sour opinion perhaps some user could offer a higher opinion of this anchor.
Hey Eric- As mentioned in the thread from long long ago, I've had good luck with the forfjord over the past 3 years with our boat which was recently weighed at 96,000 lbs.

Caveats....1) It's a #12 so it's approx 150 lbs and I have 400 ft of chain so... relatively heavy ground tackle which always helps and 2) we anchor mostly in good holding mud and have been in up to about 30 kt of wind. Our roller is built through the bow and I wouldn't want to reconfigure the bow so replacement with a modern design would need to be a specific anchor type I fear (suggestions welcome)

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Oh don'cha like the way he avoided the extra overhang moorage?
hah...we have someone in our marina that was so intent on not paying for extra he cut and hinged his bow pulpit so he can toss the anchor on the foredeck and fold the pulpit up when docked. On a Meridian 411.

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A new thread to rival "Interesting Boats". And especially for Eric:
The Flook Flying Anchor: https://www.boatsonline.com.au/boats...anchors/216432
Hours of fun for all the family! At a bargain price too.
I expect it could be handy for a kedging anchor.
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hah...we have someone in our marina that was so intent on not paying for extra he cut and hinged his bow pulpit so he can toss the anchor on the foredeck and fold the pulpit up when docked. On a Meridian 411.

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Interesting comments all.

tozz I had a friend in Craig Ak that had the same basic setup you’ve got on his Willard 30. His shank laid on the foredeck. Slick settup. His anchor was higher than yours. When you burry your bow do the flukes slam up on the hull? But you prolly do get the self launching feature that w a 150lb anchor is no doubt welcome.
Looks tidy, ship shape and .. well .. Salty good.

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Indeed I’ve seen quite a few .. but not lots. Most folks don’t go boldly forth cutting on their boats ..... or anchors. But some get off on it.
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You say welded heavy Northil anchors work better than sheetmetal sea plane Northils?



Hard to imagine an anchor that is heaver not working better.
Hey thatís some pretty good sarcasm there. Okay so yeah perhaps my statement sounded dumb but I didnít mean it that way.
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Well I didn’t intend it to be sarcastic but perhaps I was. I suppose I was thinking in terms of humor but now that you say that I’ll label it slightly snarky humor.

Anyway a lighter anchor may indeed hold better if an anchor is more slender as in not fat like the Lewmar in the pic below. See my ground off Lewmar flukes in the pic. Penetration can be golden. And weight can help penetration given the right geometry. So it’s more or less a balance .. or imbalance of forces. The Fortress and Danforth types penetrate seafloors quite well with very little weight driving them. The S Danforth w long slender forged flukes and long tapered shank has excellent penetration.
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When you burry your bow do the flukes slam up on the hull? But you prolly do get the self launching feature that w a 150lb anchor is no doubt welcome.

The flukes do not hit the hull in rough seas. There is enough room there for them to move about freely without damage. Sorry the picture isnít the best angle.
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Hey Eric- As mentioned in the thread from long long ago..

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I only started this one yesterday. But yes, one anchor thread is much like another.
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I only started this one yesterday. But yes, one anchor thread is much like another.

Yep. There was a thread a couple of years ago where we went back and forth a bit about the forfjord. I appreciated the other views and experiences folks had with it.
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The fjord seems to need to be used by a big heavy boat.
Steve G and I both have only about 40hp. Perhaps if we could pull harder they would work better. But the’ve got to work at least as well as a Claw. The fishermen use big anchors w very heavy rodes and they hardly use any other anchor. Granted some kinds of fishing dosn’t require regular anchoring but trollers do and many others do while traveling and they all do that.
And perhaps I was a bit annoyed w my fjord and I’m coming off a bit negative because of it. Sorry if I did that and I think I did.

As a side note I tried to find a picture (that I know I’ve got) of a SS Northill I saw in BC. Perhaps it will turn up. That could be the least expensive SS anchor out there.
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Somewhere in the family archives I'll have to see if we still have the picture of the old fashioned anvils my uncle found somewhere (for free) and welded an eye to. Being in my early teens, you-know-who got to be the human windlass. And manila rope for rode no less. We once sunk the anchor so deep in the Delta mud near Sherman Island four of us couldn't get it unstuck. So Uncle John got out his knife and said "screw it, I got four more back home".
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I can think of one situation where the Flook Flying Anchor would have come in pretty handy.

We were stern tied and the wind picked up on the beam. I grabbed our spare anchor & rode, tossed it in the dinghy, headed upwind, and dropped the anchor so it would hold our boat in line with the tree we were tied to and the main anchor.

It would have been way less hassle to chuck the Flook Flying anchor off the side and let it fly/glide into position on the upwind side.

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OK Murray you’ve won the prize.
I’ve never seen such a thing.
Can’t top that one but who knows what will turn up.
That’s just amazing. How long has this Flook been in existence?
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CQR Anchors

I was trying to search how old the CQR design is, with not a lot of success, though this article/review I think suggests 1933. It was the standard for many, still is for some, though I think it`s fact that anchor design has moved on, is better, and it`s a good idea to move with it.

https://www.offshoreblue.com/safety/anchor-plow.php
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