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Old 05-29-2020, 03:36 PM   #1
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Anchor snubber question

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Well after owning a sailboat and 2 years on this baby... we're learning how to anchor and liking it so far. Specifics: Bruce anchor with 300' of chain. I know the science and have practiced with our sailboat and last weekend the trawler. The PO had a line with a hook that secures to the capstan, but when I used that to get the chain unloaded... the weight of everything was still on the bow sprit. I have the ports on the bow for mooring lines. How would the boat ride the wind if I put a single snubber line through one of the holes only? Should I use a Y setup and use both holes for the snubber setup?


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Old 05-29-2020, 04:03 PM   #2
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I have a plate with a slot that slides onto the chain. It has 2 shackles with thimbles for 2 lines to go to the cleats on each side. You can do it with only 1 lead but I like the way the boat lies with the pull centered.
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I can practically guarantee you that no matter what you do with bridles, snubbers, et al that boat with all that windage forward with yaw around at anchor in a breeze like a wild horse. I had a GB43, and I cannot even begin to enumerated the many combinations I tried, including a snubber to the anchor chain coming from all the way aft to cock the boat 30 degrees to the rode. Abut the best thing was a heavy weight dropped off the stern kept as close stay. The steadying sail I had? Nope, didn't help. Welcome to trawlers which will never behave at anchor like sailboats do.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:40 PM   #4
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I disagree with Rich a little bit, but anyway here is a photo of the rig Comodave mentioned, same we used happily hundreds of nights on the hook.
All boats will horse a little bit; weight makes a difference.



I've sat nicely at anchor with a line attached to the chain with a rolling hitch and run out a hawse, including in severe squall on a GB49MY we chartered. Or sometimes out the anchor chute with chafe protection (which is a good idea to use regardless of your method). So play around and see what works for you.
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On some boats having the attachment point further forward keeps things settled. And if the pulpit / bowsprit is strong enough, there's nothing wrong with having load on the roller while anchored.
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I use a chain hook through the bow sprit. Unless you're really short scoping, the pull is mostly forward, not down. I also have the chain plate in post #4. Really need to use both lines and run them through the hawse pipes in the bow. I started with the plate and switched to the hook. Probably faster and simpler. My boat hunts at anchor and neither system made any difference in that regard.

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I can tell you that you can get away with a single snubber line out a bow/side cleat in mild conditions BUT in high winds, your boat will yaw out sideways to max windage and max load on the anchor at some point. In soft bottom you will probably pull free and drift downwind in a hurry. BTDT!!! My bridle is now 2 chafe protected leads to a Mantus Hook. Better but when a thunderstorm cranks up to whistling speeds, you better have a big anchor, proper bridle, and good bottom.
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In most conditions, your snubber over the roller is fine - & necessary to unload the capstan. In heavy weather add a bridle to both of the bow Hawse holes with either chain hook, rolling hitch or soft shackle as back up.
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I can tell you that you can get away with a single snubber line out a bow/side cleat in mild conditions BUT in high winds, your boat will yaw out sideways to max windage and max load on the anchor at some point. In soft bottom you will probably pull free and drift downwind in a hurry. BTDT!!! My bridle is now 2 chafe protected leads to a Mantus Hook. Better but when a thunderstorm cranks up to whistling speeds, you better have a big anchor, proper bridle, and good bottom.
You mean conditions like this?



Micro cell squall off Indian Key, 10,000 Islands, in the aforementioned GB 49MY, rolling hitch snubber. At the end of the anchor chain was, wait for it...... a CQR anchor. All held together for about an hour until storm passed and then plain old wind and on into the next day.
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The snubber, bridal is called a chain riding stopper.
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I also use a single snubber over the anchor roller.
If the winds were going to be over 35 knots sustained I'd probably rig a double and go thru the hawse holes. Or deploy anchor number 2.
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You mean conditions like this?



Micro cell squall off Indian Key, 10,000 Islands, in the aforementioned GB 49MY, rolling hitch snubber. At the end of the anchor chain was, wait for it...... a CQR anchor. All held together for about an hour until storm passed and then plain old wind and on into the next day.
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Micro cell squall off Indian Key, 10,000 Islands, in the aforementioned GB 49MY, rolling hitch snubber. At the end of the anchor chain was, wait for it...... a CQR anchor. All held together for about an hour until storm passed and then plain old wind and on into the next day.
I really don't have a problem with using a CQR in Socal. Mine works great!
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Hey CODGER,

Wow that sure is a pretty anchor!! Does it wax good? LOL
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Tom +1.

Wouldn't that scratch up on a (somewhat) rocky bottom?
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Here is my snubber a friend made about 4 years ago. I need to change the hook part as the salt water has taken its toll. I used it almost every time I threw the anchor.
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Archie, that's funny, it shows up in your reply. I take it you are using a Safari browser? Try something more robust like Chrome. In the meantime see attachment.
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in high winds, your boat will yaw out sideways

You should be in a Navigator! Itís flat bottom (planing hull) and high windage, has us ďkitingĒ around like crazy at anchor. Even in only above average wind conditions. It is the cross we must bare for having a go-fast hull, I suppose.
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Archie, that's funny, it shows up in your reply. I take it you are using a Safari browser? Try something more robust like Chrome. In the meantime see attachment.
Yes safari. Now thatís a blow. Lol
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Off topic: Chrome and Mozilla both work great on Macs, that's what we use on our iMac and my now-deceased MacBook Pro (which I replaced with a Chromebook, supposed to be temporary but two years later finally donated the MacBook to a computer repair class).
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