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Old 08-01-2020, 09:37 AM   #141
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Caphenning, what size anchored day shape on large ocean going vessels ? I would think the 0.6m roughly 24” ball wouldn’t be very visible.
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:14 AM   #142
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I use this 13.8Ē one on Sylphide:


Lalizas Anchor Signal Ball, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XYS1R7V..._iozjFb6FGA2XY

I fly it from a halyard which is about 2/3 of the boatís length from the bow. Dunno if itís technically the Ďcorrect sizeí but itís big enough to be seen at a distance by anyone who knows to look for it. Good enough for me.
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:26 AM   #143
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Caphenning, what size anchored day shape on large ocean going vessels ? I would think the 0.6m roughly 24” ball wouldn’t be very visible.
It’s plenty visible really and is what is pretty much sold and used everywhere. Larger and it starts getting hazardous to handle in windy conditions. Vessels less than 20M are authorized to use smaller.
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Hereís our day shape. We use it at every anchorage. A balloon thatís roughly 12Ē in diameter hung from the highest point. Does is comply with CG requirements? Nope, probably not but itís better than not flying a day shape at all! Plus a bag of 100 fits in your hand and only cost $5!
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Koliver writes: Here in Canada, any vessel under 12m is exempt anyway.

Here is what I found:

Anchored Vessels
Vessels that are at anchor and are less than 50 metres long must exhibit, depending on the time of day and visibility, an all-round white light or one ball where it can best be seen (see Figure 9-7).

Vessels less than 7 metres long are not required to exhibit anchor lights or shapes when anchored Ė unless in or near a narrow channel, fairway or anchorage, or where other vessels normally pass.
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Old 08-01-2020, 01:35 PM   #146
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I reapropriated (with a can of blk spray paint) a tear drop bouy that floated up and wouldnt hold air.

My biggest problem is remembering to take the damn thing down when underway. Sure I'm extra "by the book" at anchor, but it seems way worse a risk to be underway with it forgetfully displayed, than anchored without it.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:42 PM   #147
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Hereís our day shape. We use it at every anchorage. A balloon thatís roughly 12Ē in diameter hung from the highest point. Does is comply with CG requirements? Nope, probably not but itís better than not flying a day shape at all! Plus a bag of 100 fits in your hand and only cost $5!
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Yes it does, you are less than 20M therefore can run a reduced sized shape per regulation.

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Day shapes are black in color ....the size of the ball is not less than 0.6 metres (2.0 ft). The vertical distance between shapes is at least 1.5 metres (4.9 ft). Vessels of less than 20 metres (66 ft) length may use shapes of smaller size commensurate with the size of the vessel.
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Old 08-02-2020, 07:34 AM   #148
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How about just using a black ball fender strategically located while at anchor?
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That's what I have been using for years ( found a lost regular, one spray painted black) just ordered a black 24 " beach ball that doesn't need painting.

Back in post #61 someone was using one too.
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Old 08-02-2020, 09:49 AM   #150
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We have never displayed an anchor ball. We will in the future. I will use my brilliant idea andmput out our large ball fender. It is midnight blue, good enough I think but a black beach ball would work quite well.
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That's what I have been using for years ( found a lost regular, one spray painted black) just ordered a black 24 " beach ball that doesn't need painting.

Back in post #61 someone was using one too.
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Old 08-02-2020, 10:13 AM   #151
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I think the 0.6m anchor ball size is sufficient. It's hard to miss a 47 ft LOA trawler with a sundeck visually and the black ball should stand out OK. Now I just have to figure out where I can mount it that is easily accessible and visually prominent.

But you didn't buy that size ball. Your link was for the 1/2 size ball.
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How about just using a black ball fender strategically located while at anchor?
Yep, nobody gives even 1 f* over what you use to achieve the effect. I know people who have painted round radar reflectors black; for small boats this is my preferred model. It serves two purposes at anchor and packs flat in a drawer.

EDIT: Midnight blue may or may not "be close enough”, it depends how local law enforcement chooses to view it. They can write you a ticket for it in many places....
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:40 PM   #153
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I know people who have painted round radar reflectors black; for small boats this is my preferred model. It serves two purposes at anchor and packs flat in a drawer.


This is perhaps the best solution I have seen, cheap a dual function. Now if people would use their radar that would be great.
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Old 08-02-2020, 12:43 PM   #154
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Begs another question. How many (non sailboats) hoist a radar reflector?

We have one but since we don't do overnighters I have never put it up.
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Depends on the boat as to whether you have a decent radar signature or not....


When out and about, radio other vessels and see what you look like on their radar.


Most radar reflectors aren't all that effective...for many vessels with a decent flybridge fairing...lining it with aluminum foil glued to the inside with large flat panels I have heard can be very effective.


Many sailboats without a radar reflector had little signature compared to even a small center console with a good sized outboard on the stern to my helo's Radar.
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A buddy of mine, now a retired BC Ferries Captain, was on the bridge of a BC ferry about a mile away from my boat. I radio'd him to find out what kind of radar footprint my Catalina 27 sailboat had and he told me he couldn't see it on radar at all. The boat had a small circular radar reflector on it.
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:15 AM   #157
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We have a Lundberg lens type reflector. I have never seen our boats radar footprint on another boats display so I canít really confirm that it is a good reflector or not. But back when Powerboat Reports was doing evaluations they said it gave the best overall reflection so that is what I went with. I had it stored inside a cabinet on several boats but finally mounted it on our current boat. Now when/if we sell this boat I will have to include it with the boat.
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Ha, you're right jhall! I knew I was getting the 13" ball but I said .6m. Metrics conversion strikes again!
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A circular black radar reflector used for both anchored and underway ?
Yea I guess that’ s like the commercial fisherman leaving there day shape up 24/7, anchored, underway or docked.
If we all started leaving the anchored day shape up, anchored, underway or docked, everyone would want one !
Anyone given a ticket for not being anchored and leaving the day shape up ?
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On the Chesapeake it is the fisherman who would benefit most from displaying an anchor ball. Depending on the conditions they may be anchored, drifting on trolling at 2.5-3.5 knots. From a distance you can't tell if they are anchored or not. Makes it harder to give them a wide birth. Especially if there are a lot of them.

If they're anchored they may be running a chum slick so across their bow is better. If they're trolling they'll have moved on before you get there.
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