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05-02-2020, 05:54 PM
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Senior Member
City: Ft. Myers, FL
Vessel Name: Hannah Jane
Vessel Model: 2000 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 136
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LED replacement for Ancor navigation bulb. 12V, 24 candlepower, 2.08 amps.
My Grand Banks 42C navigation lights use a tall, double contact bulb, Ancor #529340. I think these are probably fairly common navigation & anchor light bulbs.
I'm wondering if anyone knows of a LED substitute that puts out the same brightness and is "legal". My lights are Aqua Signal Series 50 and they specify this bulb and somewhere in their literature I remember reading that this was the bulb that made their lights legal in the USA.
Thanks,
Fred B
Bulb looks like this.
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05-02-2020, 06:25 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
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Well. This has been discussed previously at length. When you say legal therein lies the problem. Your navigation lights were certified with a particular bulb. A LED replacement bulb was not part of that certification due to the age of our boats. So if you want it strictly legal then there isn’t an LED that meets that criteria.
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05-02-2020, 06:25 PM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Marine Beam. Give them a call and they will hook you up. https://store.marinebeam.com/led-replacement-bulbs/
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05-02-2020, 06:28 PM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
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Define "legal"
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05-02-2020, 06:33 PM
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City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft Catalina 381
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Check the list from Dr. LED. https://www.doctorled.com/pdf/bulb-selection-guide.pdf
They have bulbs that were tested / certified for certain lights. They do list the Aqua Signal series 50 on there, only caveat is that the white bulb is only listed as 2nm, not 3nm as a masthead light typically would be for your size boat.
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05-02-2020, 09:05 PM
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City: Brookline, NH
Vessel Name: Blue Heaven
Vessel Model: Albin 43 classic double cabin, twin 135 Lehmans
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This Dr LED bulb available at Defender says it is certified. I have used it for the last 2 years and it works as advertised.
https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=1200640
Ken
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05-02-2020, 09:21 PM
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City: Quebec
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rslifkin
Check the list from Dr. LED. https://www.doctorled.com/pdf/bulb-selection-guide.pdf
They have bulbs that were tested / certified for certain lights. They do list the Aqua Signal series 50 on there, only caveat is that the white bulb is only listed as 2nm, not 3nm as a masthead light typically would be for your size boat.
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If I am right requirement for boat under 50 is all round white light visible at 2 miles.
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05-02-2020, 09:27 PM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft Catalina 381
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
If I am right requirement for boat under 50 is all round white light visible at 2 miles.
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Under 39.4 ft a 2nm all around or masthead and stern light is fine (1nm side lights). Above that (up to 65 ft), it's a 3nm masthead, 2nm stern light and 2nm side lights.
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05-02-2020, 10:04 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FBoykin
My Grand Banks 42C navigation lights use a tall, double contact bulb, Ancor #529340. I think these are probably fairly common navigation & anchor light bulbs.
I'm wondering if anyone knows of a LED substitute that puts out the same brightness and is "legal". My lights are Aqua Signal Series 50 and they specify this bulb and somewhere in their literature I remember reading that this was the bulb that made their lights legal in the USA.
Thanks,
Fred B
Bulb looks like this.
Attachment 102138
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I had the same bulb in my anchor light. with age, the plastic lense was getting less transparent. The bulb hadn't been changed since I have owed the boat, (1994), so when I thought about it, and found an LED replacement, I went for it and found that the LED is so much brighter that I am confident it will be visible at a much greater distance than the old bulb. If I find that the extra brightness is not impressive enough, I will polish the lens to get rid of the opacity it has acquired, or replace it if necessary.
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05-02-2020, 10:11 PM
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Senior Member
City: Long Beach
Vessel Name: Checkmate
Vessel Model: GB 42
Join Date: Dec 2018
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Do you really think the Coast Guard or local marine police have time to worry about if your anchor light is legal? Do you think someone is going to run into your boat and claim it was your fault because your anchor light could only be seen from 2 NM? I really don’t understand the concern.
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05-02-2020, 11:20 PM
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Senior Member
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Beluga
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 46eu 2006 hull#289
Join Date: Apr 2016
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Another vote for MarineBeam - they supply excellent quality LED replacement bulbs for all sorts of weird and strange fittings. They even supply to far flung places like Australia with no issues!
I was referred to MarineBeam by other TF members, and it was an excellent referral.
If you are really worried about ‘legal’, then perhaps buy a completely new LED unit and instal that. It will cost a few $$ more and you may need a marine electrician to do the installation, but if you choose a reputable brand that is also chosen by reputable manufacturers of current/new boats, then I feel its hard to see how you would ever get into trouble for that?
A modern, good quality LED will be brighter and longer term more reliable.
Hamish.
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05-03-2020, 01:34 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T210DRVR
Do you really think the Coast Guard or local marine police have time to worry about if your anchor light is legal? Do you think someone is going to run into your boat and claim it was your fault because your anchor light could only be seen from 2 NM? I really don’t understand the concern.
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If there is an accident there will be an investigation and the investigators do check for things like that. Some lawsuits have been won or lost over incorrect nav lights. You roll the dice and take your chances. Personally I replaced all the light fixtures with approved LED ones. The cost wasn’t too bad and boy, they are bright.
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05-03-2020, 06:15 AM
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City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin 40
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Legal argument against one's credibility might be "doesn't follow the lighting rules"...... so " what other rules doesn't he follow?".
A stretch but it happens and is one problem with how the legal system works...unless your expert witness is more recognized and smarter.
For sidelights I can see the issue....for a 360 degree light that is white and brighter...and it exceeds the Navrules requirements....might NOT be an issue if you are clearly exceeding the requirements (but you never know).
I would like to see the wording of the certification of the LED replacement bulbs... when I get to wifi, I will research it unless someone has it handy.
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05-03-2020, 08:50 AM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
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The way our legal system works I can see some slime ball saying " I was blinded by the non certified LED light that was too bright! " only in the USA.
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05-03-2020, 10:27 AM
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Guru
City: Birch bay wa
Vessel Name: Rogue
Vessel Model: North Pacific 42
Join Date: Feb 2013
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My anchor light is an LED, very bright. One friend says if he anchors near me, he leaves his off, because mine is bright enough for both of us. Can’t see changing running lights to led lights as the old ones keep working, and the engine is running anytime they are on.
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05-03-2020, 10:35 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebel112r
My anchor light is an LED, very bright. One friend says if he anchors near me, he leaves his off, because mine is bright enough for both of us. Can’t see changing running lights to led lights as the old ones keep working, and the engine is running anytime they are on.
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Safety Inspections frequently reveal Nav light lenses getting opaque with age, sometimes to the point that the lenses need to be replaced. A replacement LED bulb may be bright enough to overcome the opacity of the lense, though a little polish might save that expense.
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05-07-2020, 10:19 AM
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Senior Member
City: Ft. Myers, FL
Vessel Name: Hannah Jane
Vessel Model: 2000 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 136
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Appreciate the comments and especially the online links! I'm mainly interested in an LED for my anchor light - anything to reduce battery draw when engines aren't running, etc.
Looks like there are a number of good choices and thanks again.
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