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Old 06-06-2022, 05:22 PM   #21
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anyone try hpr?

hpr?
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Old 06-06-2022, 06:46 PM   #22
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It's renewable diesel. They start with non-petroleum oils and chemically convert it into diesel. It's cleaner, higher octane, and lower density so none of the problems biodiesel had. It's price parity with dino-diesel now too.

The diesel performance forums all seem to love it but I haven't found any boaters that have tried it yet. I've seen studies from all over the world using it in everything from semi's to buses to tractors and no issues reported. Hoping to hear from a boater though, especially one with and older diesel.
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Old 06-06-2022, 08:21 PM   #23
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Next question, does it mix with well with the dinosaur stuff or must one start with cleaned tank??
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Old 06-06-2022, 08:35 PM   #24
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Mixes well and blend percents don't seem to matter. This is the best site I've seen for information.
https://www.neste.us/neste-my-renewa...ct-information

And this is the biggest local supplier in Socal
https://propelfuels.com/locations

I'm more tempted every day.
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Old 06-10-2022, 01:16 PM   #25
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Paid $7.40 / gal for Diesel.
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Old 06-10-2022, 02:02 PM   #26
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For the willing, Ensenada price is $4.25.
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Will it mix well the fuel remaining in the tank?
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Old 06-10-2022, 02:45 PM   #28
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I just drove south through Washington, Oregon, and California buying diesel (for the truck) along the way. Paid more in Oregon than California, and that is the first time that has ever happened. Usually Oregon is $1 less.

In Ketchikan a couple of days ago, it was around $5.60 at a marine pump, and $5.51 in the Safeway service station. When I get back up there in a couple of weeks I'll need about 200 gallons. I might look ahead to Wrangell or Petersburg, can probably even make Juneau if it was much cheaper.
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Old 06-10-2022, 03:10 PM   #29
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Fuel Price

Weíre all paying the price for stopping the short, bald Hitler named Putin. (Nothing wrong with being short or bald.). Glory to the patriots in Ukraine and throughout the world who are supporting Ukraine, and oh by the way, Freedom, Democracy, and Freedom of the Seas. This time will pass, but this moment in history will live forever in the struggle for the right of free men and women to have a government that exists according to the consent of the people. Letís slow down, use fuel of all kinds with discretion, and work for freedom, democracy and peace.
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Bio-diesel was studied as a reserve for emergency electric generators for electric utilities. A major research paper was available on line reporting the results, and storage did not work as well with bio-diesel as for mineral oil diesel. The study also considered biocide effectiveness, and some specific biocides were more effective than others. That was 4+ years ago. I recommend finding that or other newer studies before filling up a tank that might experience long term storage. On the plus side, bio diesel smells like French fries. Got ketchup?
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Ya, It's not biodiesel. I wouldn't use biodiesel because the sources are sketchy and it has gelling and organism issues. Biodiesel is converted using a transesterification process. This is a hydrogenation process.

It's a diesel fuel made from chemically converting renewable oils to diesel. Biodiesel takes natural oils and makes it "usable" in diesels but not actual diesel fuel. This stuff has full ASTM D975 diesel specs and is used all over the world with good results.

First marine related article for it I"ve found. The modern marine engine folks seem to like it.
https://waterways.org.uk/about-us/ne...reener-boating

I'm still reading up but may try adding 5 gal to the tank and seeing what happens.
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Until such time that any diesel substitute is significantly less expensively than the real stuff, I will stick with real diesel.
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Weíre all paying the price for stopping the short, bald Hitler named Putin. (Nothing wrong with being short or bald.). Glory to the patriots in Ukraine and throughout the world who are supporting Ukraine, and oh by the way, Freedom, Democracy, and Freedom of the Seas. This time will pass, but this moment in history will live forever in the struggle for the right of free men and women to have a government that exists according to the consent of the people. Letís slow down, use fuel of all kinds with discretion, and work for freedom, democracy and peace.
Well said. Sometimes you just need to wait things out and adapt as best as possible. Slow down, take less trips and once we start using less the price will come down. I was reading today that the profit from refining diesel has gone from around $8 a barrel to nearly $50. So much of it is a big money grab by the refineries. Unfortunately with limited refinery capacity there isn't much we can do about it but buy less.
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$10 a Gallon in Australia atm and tipped to get to $15 a gallon in the coming quarter when the exice goes back to normal, if you didnít have a trawler in Oz atm it would be hurting big time, as a 5k fill for me the other day hurt !!!! Bloody Russians !!!
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:37 PM   #35
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Took on 213.9 gallons of diesel fuel today in San Diego @ $6.14 a gallon.
18 months ago it was $2.75. Wonder what happened? Oh yeah, Putin.
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You wanna try Europe!

Ä2.00 a litre in Spain, thats $2.10!
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18 months ago it was $2.75. Wonder what happened? Oh yeah, Putin.
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Increased fuel price hasn't been a shock
It has been an annoyance.
We knew it was coming, always was.
Like rising wages (when retired)
Like higher insurance costs (bastards)
The cost of doing business I tells myself.
Glad we're not leveraged to to the eyeballs.
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Nassau Bahamas on Thursday $6.67/ US gallon. West End yesterday $6.27gallon.
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BTW..... gas uses octane rating
Diesel uses cetane rating
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