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Old 03-16-2018, 08:48 AM   #101
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Iirc, doesnít the deck have some camber to it? I would think using the previous installed bases would be much easier to cut to height and Ďplug iní the posts to the existing bases than trying to match the angle, bolt hole pattern to prevent more holes (leaks) in overhead.
Good point to having to match up the same bolt hole pattern for the bases if I had to repair or replace it. Thanks.
Yes the deck does have some slight camber to it. However, by leaving the bases secured to the stanchions when installing it I'm hoping the single railing across the back will take the appropriate shape.
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Old 03-16-2018, 09:54 AM   #102
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Are the bases slightly angled? Or do the vertical pipes have to flex a little to make the base sit flat on deck? It would seem to me to leave the bases alone that are tight already. The trick is to make the verticals line up directly over them during fabrication. This is why during replacement it is often done with a few verticals using the clamp on connections on top. Easier to line up, and make it all fit.
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Old 03-16-2018, 10:01 AM   #103
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Two thoughts. You can leave the rail flat, and cut the verticals to match the camber. Or flex the rail to (sort of) meet the camber. And as long as the measurements (green lines) between the Stantions are pretty accurate Click image for larger version

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Old 03-16-2018, 09:30 PM   #104
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Cappy,

Thanks for all of the suggestions. Since there is a very slight camber or crown in in this area, I'm going to use the flat jig I made in my driveway. I'm hoping once welded up, the single aft railing that transverses the deck in the direction of your green arrow will shape itself to the crown of the deck or stay almost straight.

This is a new install. There was no previous railing, stanchions, or mounts on this area of the boat to use for reference.
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If you do have a problem with the camber, you can use thickened epoxy under the stanchions to conform to the deck camber. Cover the stanchion bases with wax paper and set the bases in the bed of epoxy and let it cure. Pull the bases off and then drill and properly bed the bases. The epoxy will fill the slight gap between the base and the deck. If you need to screw the bases down temporarily coat the screws with wax of Pam non stick coating so you can remove them after the epoxy sets up.
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If you do have a problem with the camber, you can use thickened epoxy under the stanchions to conform to the deck camber. Cover the stanchion bases with wax paper and set the bases in the bed of epoxy and let it cure. Pull the bases off and then drill and properly bed the bases. The epoxy will fill the slight gap between the base and the deck. If you need to screw the bases down temporarily coat the screws with wax of Pam non stick coating so you can remove them after the epoxy sets up.
Thank you for the excellent suggestion. However, I'm hoping the railing will flex enough so I don't have to take this step. The camber is very slight so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Welding is scheduled for Monday. At this point I'm planning NOT to have the bases welded to the stanchions.
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Old 03-24-2018, 08:52 PM   #107
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I was able to get the railing on the aft cabin installed. The rail across the aft section did not conform to the deck crown exactly as I had hoped, but Iím happy with the result, especially for a DIY job. Still need to polish up the welds.
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Oops.
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Sorry. I donít know why the photos are still upside down after rotating them 180*.
First post with the new IPad.
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The dreaded upside down photos. No idea why or how to fix it. About half of my photos are upside down. Glad you got the rail to fit.
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Nice work! Maybe your camera is an Australian model?

Seriously, the "problem" is that iOS uses a non-standard format for rotating photos. It'll look find on your i-device, but nowhere else. My solution is to not own anything from Apple, but I realize that's not for everyone.
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Should I have him weld the stanchions to the bases?

There is currently 2 set screws that secure the stanchion to each base. I thought it might be stronger if they were welded in place. However, I do like the idea that I could remove the railing without unscrewing the bases from the deck. In case it might need a repair or modification in the future.

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You could epoxy them into the bases (in addition to the set screws). That should add considerable strength.

If you need to remove them in the future, just apply a heat gun to the base.

Just a thought. (OOPS! I see I'm too late.....)
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Thanks guys. I had some trouble with posting photos some time ago when taken from my Iphone. However, after sending them to my laptop, rotating them, and then uploading them, they were fine. So I guess Iíll have to go back to that routine.

Boathealer, thanks for that suggestion. Iíll put that on the ďto doĒ list.
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Great results. Awesome project. Wondering how you bent the SS rail? Looks very smooth.
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Great results. Awesome project. Wondering how you bent the SS rail? Looks very smooth.
Thanks Cappy. I had a fabricator do the 4 bends. The difficult part was finding a fabricator that could bend the SS rail in Wilmington, NC. Most of the fabricators in that area work with aluminum only.
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Looks nice, much nicer right side up... My photos are usually upside down.
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Looking at those pics reminds me: I've seen some Prairies with canvas between the stanchions on the trunk cabin ("sundeck") railing. I like the look, but I'm wondering what the extra windage will do. This thing already sails quite a bit.

Thoughts?
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Looks nice, much nicer right side up... My photos are usually upside down.
Thanks. It appears that I will have to continue posting photos from my laptop. I tried to skip that step and post them directly from our new iPad. Even though both allow me to rotate the photos, the iPad photos still end up 180* out.
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Looking at those pics reminds me: I've seen some Prairies with canvas between the stanchions on the trunk cabin ("sundeck") railing. I like the look, but I'm wondering what the extra windage will do. This thing already sails quite a bit.

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I agree with you on the windage issue. But not sure if I would like the look, especially in the corners.
If the canvas was only between the stanchions, the corners would be open. I think that would look strange.
To put the canvas in the corners around the radius you would need some attachment points on the deck with the same curve. Thatís more work and expense. A better look, but not sure if itís worth it.
Definitely something to think about.
Thanks for the suggestion. Now Iíve got another thing on my list.
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