Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-04-2017, 06:52 PM   #1
Veteran Member
 
KneeDeep's Avatar
 
City: San Antonio
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Betsy Lee
Vessel Model: 37 Atlantic Double Cabin
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 98
Trim Removal Help

I'm stuck -

What is the best way to remove trim that has a plug inserted over the nail or screw head? These are completely flush- do they have to be drilled out?

This piece of trim is fine and I plan to reinstall so don't want to damage it - thanks!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_0484.jpg
Views:	87
Size:	87.2 KB
ID:	68306  
__________________
Advertisement

KneeDeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 07:29 PM   #2
Guru
 
koliver's Avatar
 
City: Saltspring Island
Country: BC, canada
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,393
I have successfully removed plugs to get at the screws in trim.
Using a very narrow chisel or a sharpened screwdriver, smaller than the diameter of the plug, poke at it until it comes out, clean up the hole once the screw is out, using a drill or countersink bit of exactly the right diameter and you are ready to insert a new plug when the trim goes back on. Use white glue on the new plug, as it will allow removal if you need to in later years. Using epoxy will not.
__________________

__________________
Keith
koliver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 07:34 PM   #3
Moderator Emeritus
 
dwhatty's Avatar
 
City: Home Port: Buck's Harbor, Maine
Country: USA
Vessel Name: "Emily Anne"
Vessel Model: 2001 Island Gypsy 32 Europa (Hull #146)
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 2,819
Take a sharp scraper and gently remove all the finish over the plug/bung. Then take a small screwdriver or ice pick and push it into the bung (a hammer can be helpful). Chip/pry out small pieces of the bung without damaging the area surrounding the circumference of the bung. Patience.

Hopefully the bung was held in place with varnish or or the like. If glue or epoxy, damage getting it out may be inevitable.

Usually, there is a screw under the bung.You may have to use a screwdriver/ice pick and hammer, gently, to clear out whatever is in the screw slot before you can attempt to remove the screw.

Repeat for all bungs.

Upon reinstalling the trim, think of the next poor soul and do not use glue/epoxy to reset new bungs. Use polyurethane or varnish.

Then use a chisel, carefully, to trim the new bungs down almost, but now quite, to level. Then gently sandpaper the bung flush. Then sand all the trim and recoat with whatever is whatever is compatible with the previous finish.
__________________
David Hawkins
Deer Isle, Maine
dwhatty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 07:43 PM   #4
Guru
 
Benthic2's Avatar
 
City: Boston Area
Country: United States
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,575
If you start to drive a screw into the plug, the plug may start spinning.....in which case you can pry it out....or the screw will start to go into the plug...then you pull on the screw and the plug should come out....assuming the installer didn't epoxy it in.
Benthic2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 08:01 PM   #5
Guru
 
menzies's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 5,853
I always turn a small wood screw into it and then use a pair of pliers to pull it out. These are designed to be removed, discarded and replaced. You can buy many sizes in any hardware store and then stain and varnish to match. Though frankly I have seen many installatons where the plugs seems to be a different color to the surrounding wood on purpose.
menzies is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 09:32 PM   #6
Veteran Member
 
KneeDeep's Avatar
 
City: San Antonio
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Betsy Lee
Vessel Model: 37 Atlantic Double Cabin
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 98
Thanks for all the feedback - I'll make sure to limit the damage to the plug and will find some new ones!
KneeDeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 10:53 PM   #7
Guru
 
Xsbank's Avatar
 
City: Pender Harbour, BC
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Gwaii Haanas
Vessel Model: Custom Aluminum 52
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,462
I use the small blade on a Swiss Army knife. Did my entire teak deck with it.

Forgot to add, all my window surrounds too.
__________________
Don't believe everything that you think.
Xsbank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2017, 11:17 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
City: Subic Bay
Country: Philippines
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 194
Why bother! going thru that agony, just get them out by destroying them and replace with new plugs readily available at most marine stores in small packaging,

When re gluing be sure to align the wood grain with the grain in the base material and use clear drying wood glue

Cheers Steve
CaptSteve53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 05:49 AM   #9
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: AICW
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 21,004
I think it is important to remove the coating over the trim and plug before anything.

If the coating is thick and strong, it can lift slivers off the trim around the plug as it is being removed. It might leave a jagged edged hole.

If the holes do get buggered up, you can always go up a size in plugs so not tbe end of the world.
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 06:11 AM   #10
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 20,516
A dip in varnish will hold the new plug in place , and is easier to overpower when next removal is required than glue.

The screw in the center usually works well for removal..

Not having a woodworking gimlet , tapping an ice pick will usually be enough to start the screw
FF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 07:10 AM   #11
Guru
 
City: Seaford Va on Poquoson River, VA
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Old Glory
Vessel Model: 1970 Egg Harbor 37 extended salon model
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,189
You can not save the plug, you will not be reusing the plug.
You don't want to damage the trim.

I have whacked a small screw driver in them and dug them out, they split and compress and you can chip them out.
I have also drilled a small center hole and dug them out, working with a small screwdriver to eat away from the center to the outside edge carefully.
sdowney717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 07:17 AM   #12
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: AICW
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 21,004
Screw into the center works best for me, most of the time.

Simple quick, start slow to see it is lifting evenly with no lifting of the trim face.

If it is, an exacto knife or razor can help frwe that part.
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 07:33 AM   #13
Guru
 
City: Seaford Va on Poquoson River, VA
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Old Glory
Vessel Model: 1970 Egg Harbor 37 extended salon model
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,189
yes, screw can work ok. I have also seen a screw chip the trim on the edge of the plug. Pulling the plug, the plug may have been glued into the trim. so the screw pulls the plug and the hole in the trim is glued to the plug and it cracks. Varnish is decent idea to secure a plug, it is also going to act like a glue.
sdowney717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 10:57 AM   #14
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,385
I removed several of these to remove the trim. I just drilled them out. I used a bit smaller than the plug but large enough for a screwdriver to remove the screw underneath. Backing out the screw brought out any remaining plug.
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 11:12 AM   #15
Guru
 
ARoss's Avatar
 
City: Chocowinity NC
Vessel Name: My Yuki
Vessel Model: 1973 Marine Trader 34
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 634
A Forstner bit, slightly smaller diameter than the plug, will remove most of the old plug, then clean up and remains of the plug still in the hole.
ARoss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 12:12 PM   #16
Guru
 
City: kemah
Country: USA
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,135
A forstner bit works well but be sure to center it, and the tip of the bit can mangle the screw head sometimes.
what_barnacles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 12:47 PM   #17
Guru
 
City: North Charleston, SC
Country: USA
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,385
Quote:
Originally Posted by what_barnacles View Post
A forstner bit works well but be sure to center it, and the tip of the bit can mangle the screw head sometimes.
And the screw head will mangle your Forstner bit. An ordinary twist bit works fine. Punch a hole in the center with an awl if you need to to start it centered.
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 05:38 PM   #18
Guru
 
City: kemah
Country: USA
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,135
forstner bits are cheap and can do 50 or so screws before you need to spend another $5 for one.
what_barnacles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 07:32 PM   #19
Guru
 
Maerin's Avatar
 
City: East Coast
Country: USA
Vessel Name: M/V Maerin
Vessel Model: Solo 4303
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 827
For replacment plugs, if you have scrap pieces that match the trim, buy a plug cutter tool. Not expensive, but it helps to have a drill press to keep the cutter from walking all over the piece. More options for matching wood.
__________________
Steve Sipe
Selene 4303 Maerin
https://maerin.net
Maerin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2017, 07:36 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
SeaMoose's Avatar
 
City: Anchor Pointe, Ohio
Vessel Name: Sea Moose
Vessel Model: 1976 34' D/C Taiwanese Trawler
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 259
I vote for the Forster bit with a piece of blue tape so you don't go too deep, followed by the pick/screwdriver method. That way you get a clean outer edge on the hole. I've always epoxied new back in and sanded flush.
__________________

SeaMoose is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012
×