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11-05-2022, 06:06 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4,308
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Tim Allen and the shower sump
My neighbor has been having issues with his shower sump. He has been through two different shower sumps. The floats always work, just never seems to pump out the water. The sumps use a Rule 800 and the pump always seems to get clogged or cavitate. I told him to he needed more power.
He invited me over today to look at his new shower sump. I am impressed with how well it works. He upgraded to a Rule 2000.
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11-05-2022, 06:27 PM
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Senior Member
City: Goldsboro NC
Vessel Name: Voyager
Vessel Model: 41' PT Europa
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 162
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I installed a Whale 220 gulper pump 5 years ago and have had zero problems
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11-05-2022, 07:01 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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I installed one of these about a month ago
Very happy with it. I love the new screen design.
https://www.hodgesmarine.com/rul99b-...gaAtlSEALw_wcB
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11-05-2022, 07:26 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,984
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I am a Whale pump fan too. This is the second boat where I have replaced the poorly designed system using a centrifugal pump as shower drain with a Gulper. In the current boat, the shower sump doubles as the air conditioner drip pan sump. I left the float switch in the Attwood sump box, removed the plastic screen which was always getting clogged, and placed a Gulper atop the sump with a short length of hose reaching down to the bottom of the sump. Works a treat. In the older boat where the sump was just for one of the showers, I ripped out the whole sump and installed the Gulper in the drain line with a pull switch in the shower to operate it as needed.
Thinking of shower sump pumps reminds me of the time in 1989 off the coast of California when I used one to drain three feet of water out of a Chris Craft Roamer.....
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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11-05-2022, 07:27 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,185
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I made a new shower sump and put in a Whale Gulper IC pump. Works great.
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11-05-2022, 08:15 PM
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Senior Member
City: San Francisco
Vessel Name: Couple’s Retreat
Vessel Model: 2019 North Pacific 45
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 463
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+1 whale gulper w/sump. Zero issues.
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11-06-2022, 12:20 AM
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Guru
City: San Francisco
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,093
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+2 on the Whale Gulper w/o sump. No sump, no cleaning, no problem.
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11-06-2022, 07:34 AM
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Guru
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 3,890
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Another way to go is to have a grey water holding tank for the showers and sinks in the head. Use same components as for black water. Hair, dead skin, soap scum and the like seem to have less impact. Can even throw in enzyme or surfactant periodically if necessary.
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11-06-2022, 08:13 AM
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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I think the sump should have some holes bored in it so it will eventually drain the "dregs" into the bilge. The holes can be pretty small and near the bottom. They will keep water in the sump from becoming soap solid or scummy.
pete
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11-06-2022, 08:30 AM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,550
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete Meisinger
I think the sump should have some holes bored in it so it will eventually drain the "dregs" into the bilge. The holes can be pretty small and near the bottom. They will keep water in the sump from becoming soap solid or scummy.
pete
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I'd much rather have to clean it out than let it make the bilge gross. But I'm also a fan of the no-sump setup unless too many things need to feed to it (where no sump becomes impractical).
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11-06-2022, 09:39 AM
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Guru
City: West Coast
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,790
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus
Another way to go is to have a grey water holding tank for the showers and sinks in the head.
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My sump is more like a holding tank -- 40 - 50 gallons, and as you suggest all the showers and sinks (other than galley sink, cockpit sink and crew shower) drain into it. But, it has a float switch to control the whaler pump, so in practice little water is ever in the grey water tank unless we shut the pump off when, for example, we are anchored in a nice cove and don't want a stream of shower soap suds trailing from our boat.
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11-06-2022, 09:48 AM
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Guru
City: Vancouver
Vessel Name: Callisto
Vessel Model: 1974 Grand Banks 42 Classic, Hull 433
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 589
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+3 on the Whale Gulper w/o sump. No sump, no smelly residual water, no cleaning, no problem.
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11-06-2022, 09:58 AM
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Guru
City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,857
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick F
+3 on the Whale Gulper w/o sump. No sump, no smelly residual water, no cleaning, no problem.
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Nick where does your Gulper draw the water from? I was thinking of letting the fwd shower drain into the small sump in the bilge keel. I have a Gulper that keeps that pretty much empty. Main bilge pump is only needed or emergency.
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11-06-2022, 10:09 AM
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Guru
City: Vancouver
Vessel Name: Callisto
Vessel Model: 1974 Grand Banks 42 Classic, Hull 433
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 589
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigatoo
Nick where does your Gulper draw the water from? I was thinking of letting the fwd shower drain into the small sump in the bilge keel. I have a Gulper that keeps that pretty much empty. Main bilge pump is only needed or emergency.
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The Gulper has to be connected (by hose) directly to the drain fitting in the shower base.
Your idea to drain the shower into the small bilge sump is a possibility. However, there will always be a small amount of shower liquid left in this sump. Also, the sump will probably overflow a bit during showering, temporarily wetting a larger area of the bilge with soapy water.
Regards,
Nick
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11-06-2022, 11:22 AM
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Senior Member
City: Marathon, FL & On Loop
Vessel Name: Maka Honu
Vessel Model: Ta Yang, 42 Tayana PH Trawler 1976
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 313
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Sumps thing of passed. Go with whale gulper pumps. Installed 3 whale six years ago.no maint no box to clean. Terrific upgrade to the old crap being sold.
Bill Gillroy
Maka Honu
42 PH Trawler
KC1DZ
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11-06-2022, 11:39 AM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bgillroy
Sumps thing of passed. Go with whale gulper pumps. Installed 3 whale six years ago.no maint no box to clean. Terrific upgrade to the old crap being sold.
Bill Gillroy
Maka Honu
42 PH Trawler
KC1DZ
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So how does that work? In shower, pump senses water and turns on, pumping overboard? No water pump shuts off.
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11-06-2022, 01:16 PM
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Senior Member
City: All over
Vessel Name: Chapter II
Vessel Model: 1972 42 foot Alloy Mfg
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 302
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I love that my shower/ sinks gravity drain overboard. Ever get clogged 120psi of air pressure cleans them right out. Do have to clean the boat next to me when that happens though lol.
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11-06-2022, 02:43 PM
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Senior Member
City: Poulsbo
Vessel Name: Water Music
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 49 classic
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 221
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Is the whaler gulper 220 the unit that is being used for shower sumps. Do you use it without a float switch and let it run wet/dry during the shower? Whale claims dry run capability. Eliminating a float switch would make for a simple Installation of the gulper pump.
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11-06-2022, 02:54 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmarsh203
I love that my shower/ sinks gravity drain overboard. .
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Same here.
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11-06-2022, 03:07 PM
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Guru
City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,857
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick F
The Gulper has to be connected (by hose) directly to the drain fitting in the shower base.
Your idea to drain the shower into the small bilge sump is a possibility. However, there will always be a small amount of shower liquid left in this sump. Also, the sump will probably overflow a bit during showering, temporarily wetting a larger area of the bilge with soapy water.
Regards,
Nick
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Thanks Nick. Regardless the Gulper is the way to go for any lower volume applications. No problem running it dry.
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