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Old 01-15-2021, 09:07 PM   #21
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Another attractive solution that is sort of between carpet and synthetic decking is Corinthian marine "carpet". My Tiara friend used it under his hardtop and Plasdeck on his swim deck. Corinthian is a woven /no pile carpet that is washable. Can be glued down or left lose / removable. Available in many colors and patterns as well as various shades of teak & holly / caulked teak looking styles.
It is very good looking and practical in some situations IMO.
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:19 AM   #22
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Another attractive solution that is sort of between carpet and synthetic decking is Corinthian marine "carpet". My Tiara friend used it under his hardtop and Plasdeck on his swim deck. Corinthian is a woven /no pile carpet that is washable. Can be glued down or left lose / removable. Available in many colors and patterns as well as various shades of teak & holly / caulked teak looking styles.
It is very good looking and practical in some situations IMO.
My boat came with that carpet. Snapped in place. I didn't like it, looked cheap. You could also do this, but I wouldn't recommend it.

https://www.amazon.com/Synthetic-Res...0802871&sr=8-6
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:44 AM   #23
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Hey Baachus, if you find yourself down the western and of the canal this summer, stop by Erie - I'd love for you to oversee my PlasTeak install this summer! I got a quote in September 2020 for just the aft cockpit of my 400, $2,600 for 214 sq ft. I'm inclined to go do the side decks like you did, too, and maybe even stairs to flybridge. $38 per square foot for no border, $40 for the border (the only way to go AFAIK).



Did you use their glue, how many tubes?


How far past the original non-skid diamonds did you cover into the smooth?


Does the glue seal out to the edge, or is there any room for water/gunk/chemicals to collect under the outside edge?


Your installation does look fantastic on the project PDF! Great job! ope to see you soon in your travels!
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Old 01-16-2021, 12:24 PM   #24
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Synth over wood? No way

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Looks terrific. Now a request for opinions. The teak on my aft deck needs to be recaulked in several places. The caulk is generally still viable in the rest of the deck but recaulking (big job) the entire deck is probably in order. So, now the question. Rather than recaulking, should I consider synthetic teak and forgo caulk completely? Please, no comments on personal preference for teak. I get that some folks would never consider this. I am looking for technical pros and cons.
IMHO putting synthetic product over real teak is asking for real problems. Teak will become permanently wet and will rot in spite of how well teak resists. Iíve had similar products (SeaDek) on previous boat and loved it, but applied over fiberglass.
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Old 01-16-2021, 01:55 PM   #25
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Hey Baachus, if you find yourself down the western and of the canal this summer, stop by Erie - I'd love for you to oversee my PlasTeak install this summer! I got a quote in September 2020 for just the aft cockpit of my 400, $2,600 for 214 sq ft. I'm inclined to go do the side decks like you did, too, and maybe even stairs to flybridge. $38 per square foot for no border, $40 for the border (the only way to go AFAIK).

Summer cruise plans very uncertain at this time... and I don't work cheap! Advice is free or do barter for adult beverages!
Let me know if you get anywhere near Seneca Lk.




Did you use their glue, how many tubes?
Yes used the supplied adhesive and had plenty + extra left. My MS non-skid not very aggressive so not a lot of filling req'd
I spanned the smooth dividers between N-S sections w/ adhesive and the decking to avoid many small sections and breaks between. You can either fill / level ahead and let dry or fill as you go w/ adhesive. If filling as you go you have to be careful when rolling to not cause a depression. Have to span any gaps with the roller vs rolling into the gap and depressing. Also need boards / plywood to stand, walk, kneel on while working or you create depressions in the soft adhesive.



How far past the original non-skid diamonds did you cover into the smooth?
I stayed outside but fairly close to the non-skid borders in most areas. Did try to get as close to the vertical cabin sides so went into the radius at the bottom.
My buddy with the Tiara did his swim deck w/ Plasdeck and had difficulty due to his very aggressive non-skid. Used more adhesive (ran out) and edges didn't seal well. Had to go back and fill / smooth around edges after getting more adhesive. If very aggressive N-S deck I would recommend sanding / grinding at least a taper at edges and knocking off the hi spots.


Does the glue seal out to the edge, or is there any room for water/gunk/chemicals to collect under the outside edge?
See above mine sealed well and smoothed at edge as I
progressed. I laid the decking dry, positioned where desired and marked around edges with pencil to provide a guide for spreading adhesive accurately but adequately.



Your installation does look fantastic on the project PDF! Great job! Hope to see you soon in your travels!
Brian
I used a clear N-S sheet product for gunnels at boarding locations when we first got our MS. They didn't last very long as sun really beat them up and started to peel. After I finished the decking I decided to buy some of the wide DIY teak material and custom cut step pads at the boarding locations. Used the same adhesive and worked out well. Matches decking, looks great, not slippery and seems to very durable. Easy to cut and sand / radius edges similar to factory where cut.

Happy to discuss tips, tricks more - PM if a phone discussion would be better.
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I actually order (and returned) that, just to see what it is. I can't say that it isn't what it promises to be -- it is, exactly.

But, it is a very soft and spongy foam, not like PlasTeak all, which is I guess what I should have expected, as it is EVA foam.

I don't think I'd want it in any type of high traffic area or any area where things are going to routinely get dragged or poked.
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Bacchus, sorry it's taken me so long to respond to this thread. That's all excellent info! I'd be happy to take you up on work-for-beer! I come to your stomping grounds often (pre covid). Um!!! I just realized that I met you a couple of summers ago!!!! I used to work at Hobart & William Smith. A few coworkers still get together at Sampson almost every summer. I talked to you and your wife a couple summers ago! What a small world!



Thanks again for the info, it all makes perfect sense. The aft cockpit on the 400 isn't much different than yours.



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Bacchus, sorry it's taken me so long to respond to this thread. That's all excellent info! I'd be happy to take you up on work-for-beer! I come to your stomping grounds often (pre covid). Um!!! I just realized that I met you a couple of summers ago!!!! I used to work at Hobart & William Smith. A few coworkers still get together at Sampson almost every summer. I talked to you and your wife a couple summers ago! What a small world!



Thanks again for the info, it all makes perfect sense. The aft cockpit on the 400 isn't much different than yours.



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You can buy plenty of beer for the labor you'll save. It's a great upgrade, I'm sure you'll like the result.
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Old 02-05-2021, 12:59 PM   #29
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I could be convinced to "consult" and supervise if you want to visit the new marina at Sampson. I have a hand roller, trowels etc thats available if you do.
I cant say I remember but might remember a face.

Reminds me of a funny story... had exchanged many emails with cruisers prior to our 2019 cruise to Georgian Bay... TF, GL Cruising Club, etcm etc

Well we pulled into a beautiful bay to anchor.., had a few other boats already there. Set the hook, put out a stern line and decided to dingy over to the closest sailboat. As I approached the capt was dinghies my way... met in the middle and he says... you must be Don.
With a deer in the headlights look and mouth wide open as I know a few sailboaters but many and didn't think any on GB.
Turned out he was a friend of a friend from GLCC that had sent us some recommendation but had never met or even spoken live. Small world indeed!
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