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Old 12-04-2016, 09:54 AM   #261
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You've done a great track, great restoration project itself. Trace your way around you can be proud of and pleased with it.


Great that you shared it with the images and text in the Forum, thank you for that.
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Old 12-04-2016, 10:28 AM   #262
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Hobo's back in the water with the tanks holding fuel and the engine running. Yahoo!

Here are the numbers:

Tank Construction: Includes tax, no transportation $10,529
Engine/Running Gear Rebuild: no transportation costs $12,558
Boat Yard: haul/block/launch, fork lift, crane, some tools and minor parts $4,562
Subcontract Labor: 86 hours $6,240
Stuff: Perf al panels, plywood, parts, more tools, hose, etc $3,800

Ouch $37,689

We were under budget on the subcontract labor but that doesn't take into account the 400 plus hours that Lena and I put in. It's difficult to say what costs were specifically for the tank replacement. The engine rebuild is easy to separate out, but not everything is as cut and dry. We had to replace the existing ceiling and wall panels. There was too much damage trying to remove and then reuse them. How do you do this job and not rebuild/replace the thru-hulls, hoses and some wiring? Another area that took additional resources was the re-configuring of the engine room. With each tank 22” shorter, we removed or modified nine mounting platforms. We could have used the existing ones and saved at least a week but how would it have looked?

Would we do the same thing again? Probably. We didn't feel we had many alternatives. A band-aid approach could have sufficed, but would have been hard to live/cruise with. We also considered the option of handing the project over to someone. We talked to one local yard (Lambs) before hand. They have the ability and resources but at $90/hour and no owner involvement, we estimated the project would have been north of $70,000.

I'd like to thank everyone for the support and coming along for the ride. To think that I initially hesitated to post this project before it was done (think armchair quarterbacks, backseat drivers-you know the potential). What a mistake that would have been. At the end of the day, you guys helped keep us going. Thanks!
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Old 12-04-2016, 10:31 AM   #263
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Great thread.
You have inspired me to keep moving forward on my smaller projects.
Thanks to you and others for all the good installation tips, etc.
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Old 12-04-2016, 11:19 AM   #264
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Krogen 42 Fuel Tank Replacement

Hi Larry. Everything looks wonderful! It gives me an appreciation for all the work the PO did with our vessel. I just hope that his efforts were as thorough as yours. And of course with everything out it was wise to do a thorough revision of the engine room space. Your won't regret it!

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We had to replace the existing ceiling and wall panels. There was too much damage trying to remove and then reuse them.

Which panels did you replace? How did you redo the ceiling panels?

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Old 12-04-2016, 12:00 PM   #265
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...Which panels did you replace? How did you redo the ceiling panels? Jim
The white painted peg board on the ceiling and the 12"x12" squares on the tank's in-board side/backs were replaced with aluminum coated panels (8-4'x8' sheets) we bought from Soundown. Doing the ceiling was a pia. The ceiling wasn't level and trying to handle pieces that were up to 8' long was difficult at best. The manufacturer recommends that for best results, we should have had at least 1/10 of an inch between the panels and the ceiling insulation. The panels in fact hold the insulation in place in some areas. So far we haven't noticed any difference/increase in the dB level. We weren't looking for any improvement in sound reduction just something to replace the 29 year old peg board.
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Old 12-04-2016, 12:15 PM   #266
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Larry and Lena, Great job! Very impressive timeline and cost for all you accomplished. What happened to the old engine? Trade-in?

Looking back now, are there areas you wish you had more time or money to complete that got bypassed on this job? From this seat, it doesn't look like you skipped much.

Thanks for showing us how it's supposed to be done!! You've really raised the bar for the rest of us.
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Old 12-04-2016, 01:57 PM   #267
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Oh right. I thought you were referring to the Saloon. The PO used that reinforced aluminum foil/sound barrier material in the ER, surrounding the tanks and the ceiling. Probably not as durable as the material you used.
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Larry and Lena, Great job! Very impressive timeline and cost for all you accomplished. What happened to the old engine? Trade-in?

Looking back now, are there areas you wish you had more time or money to complete that got bypassed on this job? From this seat, it doesn't look like you skipped much.

Thanks for showing us how it's supposed to be done!! You've really raised the bar for the rest of us.
Thanks Al! This is the old engine. The engine was completely torn down and the block cleaned in a hot dip tank (sodium hydroxide). The oil pan was bead blasted. The block and head were magnafluxed.

Here's a list of most of what was done to the engine:

Exhaust Manifold cleaned and pressure tested,
Bore the Block
Grind and Polish Crank
Reconditioned Connecting Rods
R&R Wrist Pin Bushings
New Pistons/Rings/Pins
New Main Bearings
New Rod Bearings
New Cam Bearings
New Cam Thrust Washers
New Front and Rear Seals
Remanufactured Raw Water Pump with Gaskets
New Fuel Lift Pump with gasket
New Circulating Fresh Water Pump with Gasket
New Thermostat and Gasket
New Valves
Grind Seats
New Injector Tips
Remanufactured Injection Pump
New Engine Oil Cooler
New Water Hoses (all)
New Heat Exchanger
New Oil Lines
New Starter

We did have an issue with the cam. One of the lobes was out of spec and was shipped to a specialist in the mid west. They built it up and reground it.

The running gear had new bearings, clutches and seals. I'm waiting for a complete list for both.

Looking back I do wish I had more money and time. But at the end of the day we just wanted to get the project done. We live on Hobo and were renting a cottage. The rent plus the daily yard costs took a big bite.

I guess our only complaint is that the boat yard was so remote. The closet hardware store was 20 minutes and the closest marine chandler was 25. For some things, I would order them by 2:30 in the aftenoon and have them over-nighted to the yard. It was cheaper to pay the shipping costs then go to West Marine. A RT parts run was 1-2 hours. Lena knows more about boats and parts now then most clerks.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:35 PM   #269
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I know part of Larry and Lena's success with this project, and especially the timeframe, was planning and more planning. Getting vendors, parts, components, labor and everything else that goes into a project like this lined up well in advance keeps the surprises to a minimum so you can deal with the real unexpected surprises without it taking too big a bite out of schedule or wallet.

You can't plan ahead too much or get things rolling too soon for a project like this, the price per day is too big a penalty.

Again, nicely done

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Very Impressive

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