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05-23-2019, 12:08 AM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,021
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Considering the surveyor didn't know it was non-cored boat, I question anything said.
I'm old and been around boats all my life. There are strong commercial detergents that will remove the diesel smell from wood where it absorbs much deeper than fiberglass. And it may take several soakings. Whether that worth it is up to you.
Another way is to clean the bilge and paint it with Interlux Bilgekote (semi-gloss enamel) or something like it and seal the smell in.
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05-23-2019, 02:38 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
Sounds like you haven't found the right boat yet. No worries...you're still young.
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Wifey B: I found the right man instead and together we find boats but we do understand them as property, not living beings.
Some of you guys have me wondering if you have sex with your boats and, if so, I sure don't want to know the details, but bet it's illegal in 37 states.
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05-23-2019, 07:26 AM
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Guru
City: St. Petersburg, Florida
Vessel Name: M/V Sherpa
Vessel Model: 24' Vashon Diesel Cruiser
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 598
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Assuming the stringers are in good condition, why is this an issue with a solid core boat? My boat is solid core and the original aluminum fuel tank in the foward bilge had leaked under the previous owners care. Cleanup was not the best and my wife and I gave the bilge thorough scrubbings with detergents (e.g., simple green, Dawn, Joy, etc.). The bilge was painted and it looks new--no diesel smell.
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05-23-2019, 09:48 AM
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Newbie
City: San Luis Obispo
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 2
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Greetings,
I posted the original question.
Thanks for all your replies. This forum is such a great resource to learn and get varied opinions.
I hired and paid the surveyor for his knowledge and experience, but I'm not one to have blind faith in one person's opinion.
So many of you exactly nailed my thought processes, almost like you've had similar thoughts before.
Since I'm new and still trying to gain knowledge and experience, I'll keep looking. As someone said, there are many boats out there that would benefit from TLC. This one needs more than I'm willing to offer, regardless of the purchase price.
Thanks again, Kurt
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05-23-2019, 10:44 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,154
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltrider1
It’s really easy to look at an old Uniflite 42 and think, “wow, this boat has a great reputation, all it needs is some carpet and a paint job and I can buy it really cheap. Every one says dd671’s are built proof, this has to be a good deal”. They never think about the fact that the boat is 40 years old and every component had a design life of 25 years. Then they start to discover that you can’t find replacement parts. From door latches to windows, alternators to cutless bearings, every thing is worn out and a fortune to replace. It’s like playing Russian roulette, can you get 4 years out of it and sell it or is it all going to implode on your watch.
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Then, despite 10 people providing sound justification for why one should walk away, enter the one post I picked-up 'xyz' for free from a pole barn, spent 5K and sailed it around the world with no issues".
Typically, people hear what they want to hear. The 10 posts cautioning the person is ignored and the on positive post is the one that is followed as gospel. ( "see, I knew it wasn't a big deal").
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05-23-2019, 10:48 AM
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Senior Member
City: Kiln,MS
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 457
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if they left the fuel laying in there like that. i can't imagine how bad the rest of it is. its not a can of worms its a 55 gal drum of worms.
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05-23-2019, 11:22 AM
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#27
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Guru
City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,608
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vashon_Trawler
Assuming the stringers are in good condition, why is this an issue with a solid core boat? My boat is solid core and the original aluminum fuel tank in the foward bilge had leaked under the previous owners care. Cleanup was not the best and my wife and I gave the bilge thorough scrubbings with detergents (e.g., simple green, Dawn, Joy, etc.). The bilge was painted and it looks new--no diesel smell.
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My stringers are full of old screw holes from PO's. My bilge is not gel coated. It is choppered FB, paint long gone in many places. I have no doubt that after 10 years diesel would permeate the FB and smell would linger for years.
A rear seal let go and filled my bilge with ATF. Really obnoxious small. Krud Kutter and a high pressure hose worked but I cleaned it right away. Glad to see the OP decided to walk. There are many boats for sale
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05-23-2019, 01:19 PM
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Guru
City: Phoenix, AZ
Vessel Name: Enigma
Vessel Model: 1997 Wellcraft Excel 26 SE
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 657
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: I found the right man instead and together we find boats but we do understand them as property, not living beings.
Some of you guys have me wondering if you have sex with your boats and, if so, I sure don't want to know the details, but bet it's illegal in 37 states.
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I believe it is 39. Didn't a couple states pass laws …….
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05-27-2019, 12:50 PM
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Guru
City: Deltaville
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,061
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KurtColvin
Greetings,
The surveyor took one look at it and said "fiberglass and core saturated, the hull is worthless and not recoverable".
Regards, Kurt
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Is the surveyor saying the core is saturated with diesel? If so, I'm afraid he's right, there is no salvaging that. You don't name the brand so it's hard to tell, but most hulls below the WL are not cored, but in the heady fiberglass boat building days of the 70s there were more cored hulls than there are now.
If there's just staining and odor, that can be resolved, I'd use a hot water pressure washer, and then use an epoxy bilge coat.
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05-27-2019, 01:36 PM
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Guru
City: Ingleside-On-The-Bay, Texas
Vessel Name: Papillon
Vessel Model: 1978 Mainship 34 Trawler #95
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 643
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
I believe it is 39. Didn't a couple states pass laws …….
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Dont tell my boat.........
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07-26-2021, 10:47 AM
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Newbie
City: East moriches
Vessel Name: Lady margaret II
Vessel Model: Uniflite 32sedan
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 3
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Cored Hull that’s not cored
Just putting it out while Uniflite are known for solid fiberglass hulls they did make a balsa cored Hull in 1984 on the 36’ aft cabin,,,,besides that I think what the surveyor was referring to about the “ core “ being saturated is that Uniflite used a closed cell foam core in there strings so there was no wood to rot…
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07-27-2021, 06:15 AM
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#32
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"They never think about the fact that the boat is 40 years old and every component had a design life of 25 years."
A properly built GRP boat probably has a hull life of over 100 years.Many of the cruisers on this forum were not built for long life and are 40+years old, as are their agricultural engines.
The big hull question is simple , does it flex?
If its rock solid , no cracks seen from overloading in the gel coat , it should still have a long way to go.
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07-27-2021, 01:22 PM
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#33
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Guru
City: San Diego, CA
Vessel Name: Second Chance
Vessel Model: 42' Uniflite Double Cabin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 828
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The OP was talking about a 1978 42' Uniflite. This model is built with NO wood below the waterline, the stringers are formed with closed cell foam covered with 8 layers of woven roving, minimum with extra layers added in joints, engine beds and other areas, the entire hull is hand laid glass and closed cell foam with no coring below the waterline. There is nothing to 'absorb' any diesel, the bilges would need a thorough cleaning to get rid of it and that would be hard without removing the aft tank. However the core can't be 'saturated', there is no core that can 'saturate'. The aft center mounted tank was an aluminum tank, mounted in the bilge, about 40 gallons. It's very common for this tank to fail and leak and be removed/disabled as it's an Aux tank and not needed for operation.
I have the structural drawings, layup schedules, lines and hull materials list for this model from the manufacturer.
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07-27-2021, 01:57 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
City: Out and About
Vessel Model: Sold-GB 52 Europa, Queenship 59, Tolly 45
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 484
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There is nothing intrinsically wrong with fiberglass and fuel. There are many high end boats with fiberglass fuel tanks (Hatteras, Nordhavn, etc). Compared to steel and aluminum fiberglass tanks are bullet proof. If this hull is not cored, this is much ado about nothing.
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07-27-2021, 02:29 PM
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#35
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Guru
City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,608
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sbman
The OP was talking about a 1978 42' Uniflite. This model is built with NO wood below the waterline, the stringers are formed with closed cell foam covered with 8 layers of woven roving, minimum with extra layers added in joints, engine beds and other areas, the entire hull is hand laid glass and closed cell foam with no coring below the waterline. There is nothing to 'absorb' any diesel, the bilges would need a thorough cleaning to get rid of it and that would be hard without removing the aft tank. However the core can't be 'saturated', there is no core that can 'saturate'.
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This is all moot as the OP passed on the sale, but...
It's not just about the hull. Any enclosed space full of wood such as teak or mahogany subjected to diesel fumes for 10 years will smell like diesel fumes forever. Not to mention upholstery, headliners, etc.
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07-27-2021, 04:18 PM
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#36
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Several years ago, from an estate, there was a 42 GB woodie offered to me for basically no cost. There was plenty to repair. However I was considering it. Then I opened the floor hatches to get into twin screw diesel area. That was it for me. Once in there... I could not even see with eyes watering too hard from the putrid old diesel fuel odor.
Gasoline evaporates and its odor dissipates in not too long a duration. Diesel fuel is not similar.
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07-28-2021, 06:44 AM
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#37
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"There is nothing intrinsically wrong with fiberglass and fuel. There are many high end boats with fiberglass fuel tanks (Hatteras, Nordhavn, etc). Compared to steel and aluminum fiberglass tanks are bullet proof. If this hull is not cored, this is much ado about nothing."
This is true today but , in the past many small boats were constructed with built in fuel gas tanks.
Worked fine , BUT Unkle Sam decided ethanol was required in gasoline and the alcohol softened the GRP as well as raised heck with some rubber parts , fuel lines , carb gaskets.
Happily the mandated changes to diesel fuel did not cause as much havoc.
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