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04-07-2020, 10:44 AM
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City: Jacksonville
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Cap Rail Maint Question
I am adding a few top coats onto my cap rails. First I went around and identified all of the "bad" poly, mostly small yellow spots where the water got in or were otherwise damaged.
After taking those spots back to the bare wood I spot coated them to build them up to the same level as the other coats.
However the spots are a lot darker that the other teak. See photos.
So question: is this because the teak was stained prior to poly originally (looks like a colonial maple stain), So I need to take these spots back to the wood again and stain them? Or is the other poly, being 18 years old, simply colored by the sun and unless I take everything back I will have to live with the spots until it all eventually evens up?
I am using clear.
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04-07-2020, 11:19 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
I am adding a few top coats onto my cap rails. First I went around and identified all of the "bad" poly, mostly small yellow spots where the water got in or were otherwise damaged.
After taking those spots back to the bare wood I spot coated them to build them up to the same level as the other coats.
However the spots are a lot darker that the other teak. See photos.
So question: is this because the teak was stained prior to poly originally (looks like a colonial maple stain), So I need to take these spots back to the wood again and stain them? Or is the other poly, being 18 years old, simply colored by the sun and unless I take everything back I will have to live with the spots until it all eventually evens up?
I am using clear.
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I see spots like yours on my rails from time to time. The difference in colour is not stain The old finish will change colour with UV exposure. Some varnishes have more UV blocker than others, some have chemicals in their formulation that change colour in a different way than other brands. In your pics, the old finish is lighter than the spot repairs. On my boat, it is usually the opposite.
I have been using Epifanes for the past 10 years or so, but before that, I tried Petit, Interlux, Home Depot (Bare), Minwax and others.
A friend with a professional finish that he thinks might me "Captain" varnish has much the same colour as your old varnish areas. My lightest is about the colour of your spot repairs. I use Epifanes.
In order to get a perfectly uniform colour that will fade or darken evenly over the whole area, you will need to go down to bare wood over that same area.
My approach is to build the spot repair up so that it is even with the surrounding varnish and get over the difference in colour. Some of those areas have been varnished every year for more than the 26 years that I have had this boat, so quite a few coats of varnish, hence my reluctance to ever go to bare wood anywhere I don't have to.
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04-07-2020, 11:29 AM
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City: Oconto, WI
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I'm painting mine this Spring, Toe rails also. Still undecided about the teak deck..
pete
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04-07-2020, 11:43 AM
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City: Gibsons, B.C., Canada
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I think that unless you KNOW which finish was original then there will not likely be a match. Also the older varnish has weathered and changed colour so even if you have the same "varnish" for the repairs the new stuff will be different.
What you may find is that the new patches will blend in as the sun ages them. Yes they will still be visible but much less so.
I have the same thing from various dings and outright small failures. I don't worry about them as to me me they are part of the teak's beauty.
I also realized many years ago that I am not going to scrape and totally refinish
any of the pieces unless so many problems show up that that process is demanded.
Enjoy them, they are signs that you care enough to do what is needed to protect your wood trim.
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04-07-2020, 12:56 PM
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City: Concrete Washington State
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My boat would probably just get a light sand and re-coat.
This must be a shoes off boat haha
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-07-2020, 12:59 PM
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City: Jacksonville
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
My boat would probably just get a light sand and re-coat.
This must be a shoes off boat haha
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Correct, I don't let anyone walk on the cap rails!
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04-07-2020, 01:03 PM
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We put the second coat of Brightside on our teak toe rails today. Should get the 3rd coat on tomorrow and be done with teak maintenance for quite a long time.
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04-07-2020, 05:27 PM
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City: Brookline, NH
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Funny, I'm also painting a lot of the teak on my boat this year - also with Brightside. Just did a bunch of priming today. Note that the finish is a color that matches the gelcoat. I'm keeping the rails natural for now.
Ken
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04-07-2020, 05:55 PM
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City: Jacksonville
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You going to do the PH doors as well?
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04-07-2020, 06:43 PM
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City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
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I like high oil varnish that is more flexible for cap rails.
I think it has more build too and that means fewer coats.
And of course prep, perp, prep .............
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-07-2020, 07:48 PM
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City: Brookline, NH
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
You going to do the PH doors as well?
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No. They’re in great shape. Hope it looks ok.
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04-08-2020, 08:04 AM
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City: Edgewater, MD
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I'm with you Dave. We refuse to be a slave to varnish, varnish, varnish. I'd rather spend my time cruising. Our cap and hand rails have been stripped to bare wood for a couple of years now. They will soon be painted and, no, I will not seal before painting so the next guy can beat his brains out varnishing. If I had spare boat dollars I would replace the railings with stainless steel.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
We put the second coat of Brightside on our teak toe rails today. Should get the 3rd coat on tomorrow and be done with teak maintenance for quite a long time.
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