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Old 07-27-2018, 01:20 PM   #21
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In South Florida Interlux Micron 66 is the choice for ablative, Pettit Trinidad SR for a hard paint. They both are copper with an extra anti-slime ingredient. I think the anti-slime ingredient is important in extending the life of the paint. Cheaper paints just don’t work as well.
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:34 PM   #22
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Iím not always a big fan of ďdo what the locals doĒ but in Alaska we used the bottom paint that almost all the locals used. Dirt cheap ($80gal) and it worked quite well. It was Petitt Sea Mate.

Again we are using local as in what the yard uses. It works even better than the Sea Mate.
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:52 PM   #23
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I don't know the paint, but I suspect that it is the ablative type from reading this forum. I have the boat cleaned by divers each month, so maybe that may be too much for this paint. As I am educating myself, I see threads that this paint is supposed to be good for frequent use, but not good for being rubbed each month by divers. When I put it on rack in December to do annual maintenance etc., I will find out, and probably repaint the whole thing and make sure its done right. Thanks
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:17 PM   #24
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Hmmm! I just inquired at the border and CBSA informs me that I am unable to bring Pettit Trinidad SR across the border. I havenít purchased the paint yet. Iím not giving up just yet, but anyone have any thoughts? Iím looking for a good quality non ablative paint.

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Old 03-06-2019, 03:33 PM   #25
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By the way, I decided on the Ultima SR60. I bought the older formula for a steal at defender ($135 a gallon) during their big sale. Instead of Irgarol, they have some other additive as a biocide because it's from when Irgarol was off the market for a few years. Most bottom paints don't have a slime biocide anyway, so I figure it's whatever. Pretty pumped on the deal.

The other one I was considering is Micron Extra. Also seems pretty legit.
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Hmmm! I just inquired at the border and CBSA informs me that I am unable to bring Pettit Trinidad SR across the border. I havenít purchased the paint yet. Iím not giving up just yet, but anyone have any thoughts? Iím looking for a good quality non ablative paint.

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Any idea why it's prohibited? BTW, put it on my boat last fall and couldn't be happier! My bottom scrubber loves it.

Maybe you should relable the cans.

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Bottom paint type

Ted: I believe the % Cuprous Oxide exceeds Cdn regulation which, according to the local service yard manager, is 45%. Trinidad Pettit SR is 65%. He said I shouldnít have asked! Lol. He also said I could go to Michaels Crafts and buy a bag of Cuprous Oxide and add it to the paint of my choice. Apparently itís cheap. He said heís done that.
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I have had the Jotun Seavictor 50 on for a year now. Excellent results, I'll easily get another year and the waterline area is free of growth. So, far superior to Micron Extra. Of course I've been in tropical or sub-tropical waters, and performance may vary for cold waters. Although usually cold water is easier on the AF.

Jotun does have a global spread apparently.
https://www.jotun.com/

The TDS is not that informative, but I found another source that indicates Seavictor 50 has 39.59% cuprous oxide.

https://www.jotun.com/Datasheets/Dow...0__Euk__GB.pdf

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I have had the Jotun Seavictor 50 on for a year now. Excellent results, I'll easily get another year and the waterline area is free of growth. So, far superior to Micron Extra. Of course I've been in tropical or sub-tropical waters, and performance may vary for cold waters. Although usually cold water is easier on the AF.

Jotun does have a global spread apparently.
https://www.jotun.com/

The TDS is not that informative, but I found another source that indicates Seavictor 50 has 39.59% cuprous oxide.

https://www.jotun.com/Datasheets/Dow...0__Euk__GB.pdf

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Brian...what were you using before SeaVictor...And what colour is it?
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Ted: I believe the % Cuprous Oxide exceeds Cdn regulation which, according to the local service yard manager, is 45%. Trinidad Pettit SR is 65%. He said I shouldnít have asked! Lol. He also said I could go to Michaels Crafts and buy a bag of Cuprous Oxide and add it to the paint of my choice. Apparently itís cheap. He said heís done that.


So let me get this straight, you can buy a 45% Cuprous Oxide ablative paint that slowly desolves into the water as you use the boat, but you can't use a higher content that stays on the hull (hard paint). Don't think I would be adding Cuprous Oxide to another paint. Obviously you loose any warranty for adhesion and effectiveness from the manufacturer. Further, for what the whole cost of a bottom paint job is, I want a proven product, not something that might work.

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Brian...what were you using before SeaVictor...And what colour is it?
I had used Micron Extra for 3 years, both blue and black. I'm using the Seavictor black at present. It might need some activity, as opposed to just sitting at the dock a lot of the time. My 5 month cruise last year was good activity, but I take the boat out every couple of weeks usually.
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I agree Ted! Hereís an update. I have now found out that there are antifouling paints that can be imported into Canada with higher %ís of Cuprous Oxide:

https://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/docu...54/121029E.pdf

For example International Paintís Ultra Kote can be imported into Canada and that varies between 66% (Ultra Kote) and 72% (Ultra Kote extra). So it seems there should be no reason why I would be refused from bringing one of these products across the border...either the International Paint product or the Pettit Trinidad.

Ted, if you happen to have a can of this stuff around how visible/prominent is the % copper content on the label?

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I agree Ted! Hereís an update. I have now found out that there are antifouling paints that can be imported into Canada with higher %ís of Cuprous Oxide:

https://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/docu...54/121029E.pdf

For example International Paintís Ultra Kote can be imported into Canada and that varies between 66% (Ultra Kote) and 72% (Ultra Kote extra). So it seems there should be no reason why I would be refused from bringing one of these products across the border...either the International Paint product or the Pettit Trinidad.

Ted, if you happen to have a can of this stuff around how visible/prominent is the % copper content on the label?

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It isn't.

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Doesn't seem to be on the front of the can. I'm sure it's in the mouse type on the back.

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Yes, I saw that photo. Not sure about the back of the tin.

It seems that paints of this type may be phased out. Not sure. California is bringing in new regs...
https://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/su...copper_afp.pdf

And...
https://www.paint.org/article/use-co...latory-update/

https://www.khlaw.com/Pesticide-Regu...ng-Regulations

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Yes, I saw that photo. Not sure about the back of the tin.

It seems that paints of this type may be phased out. Not sure. California is bringing in new regs...
https://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/su...copper_afp.pdf

And...
https://www.paint.org/article/use-co...latory-update/

https://www.khlaw.com/Pesticide-Regu...ng-Regulations

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This stuff drives me crazy. Nanny state broad brush approach by brain dead politicians. The concept of wanting to reduce copper based contaminants in marinas by lumping all copper based paints in the same category is insane. If you use a paint with a 3 to 5 year life expectancy that isn't ablative, it would seem a reasonable assumption that the amount of contamination from a diver scrubbing it would be exponentially less than a soft ablative with a 1 to 2 year life expectancy.

Well I guess I will need to follow a "Best Practice Approach" by maintaining a future supply of bottom paint in my spares department.

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This stuff drives me crazy. Nanny state broad brush approach by brain dead politicians. The concept of wanting to reduce copper based contaminants in marinas by lumping all copper based paints in the same category is insane. If you use a paint with a 3 to 5 year life expectancy that isn't ablative, it would seem a reasonable assumption that the amount of contamination from a diver scrubbing it would be exponentially less than a soft ablative with a 1 to 2 year life expectancy.

Well I guess I will need to follow a "Best Practice Approach" by maintaining a future supply of bottom paint in my spares department.

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Just had my CHB hauled and bottom painted at Marine Group in San Diego and here's what they used:Click image for larger version

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Just had my CHB hauled and bottom painted at Marine Group in San Diego and here's what they used:Attachment 91370
That anti fouling paint product exceeds California's maximum allowable copper leach rate and I assume you were only able to use it because the yard is selling its remaining stock. I'd be surprised if you get to use for your next bottom job.
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