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Old 12-13-2017, 08:55 PM   #21
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You just save the price of a new expensive water heater... CHAMPAGNE!!!
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Old 12-13-2017, 09:16 PM   #22
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I have a 20 gallon Raritan with a tempering valve. Have never run out of hot water and can sit on the hook for a second night without running out. Nice to be able to sit for 36 hours without running the generator.

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I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
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Old 12-14-2017, 05:13 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
I did the math for mine the othet is dependent on temperature rise.

If heating from 60 degree water versus 90 degree water in the heater and what is going in...the time is quite your question cant be answered without a few givens..
My question about the time to heat the water in a 20 gallon tank relates to the amount of time needed to run the generator when you are at anchor for several consecutive days. If you are on shore power, or if you are moving and use the main engine to heat water this is a non-issue. My question relates to a boat at anchor for extended periods. Thus the water is already on the boat. Assuming the water in the heater is 75 degrees to match a 70-80 degree outside temperature.

On Bay Pelican we had a 1500 watt, 6 gallon, 110v unit. Took 15 minutes to heat the water. We deliberately switched to a 750 watt element to reduce the draw on the generator when heating water. It now takes 30 minutes of run time.

To explain the draw on the generator when we start the generator (8 kw) we have two 135 amp chargers, the refrigerator, freezer and the water heater on, as well as normal household AC usage. With the 1500 watt unit the total initial draw would drop the generators output frequency (hertz) from 61 to 57 or 56. With the 750 watt unit the hertz drops to 59 or so. Using a 1,500 watt unit I reduced the draw by cutting back on the chargers until the water heater shut off (clear signal from my draw and hertz meters). We also avoided using appliances with significant draw, coffee pot, toaster etc.

If I project the time required for heating the water in a 12 gallon unit by just doubling the time of my six gallon unit it would be 30 minutes at 1500 watts or 60 minutes at 750 watts. Using the same projection the 20 gallon unit would be approximately 1 hour 40 minutes at 750 watts or 50 minutes at 1,500 watts.

Normal nightime generator run time on Bay Pelican is less than 45 minutes. It seems that a larger water heater at anchor would increase the run time. This factor may be important to some cruisers.
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:45 AM   #24
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I agree....but cant say for sure that doubling the water volume would double the time.

There might be some losses, but with an immersed element, they may be insignificant.

Your times projections seem pretty good.

I did the math usung kW to Btu, and Btus needed to raise temp of water. Seemed for 8 gallons for a 60 degree rise.... well over an hour with my 750W element...

But I did a bunch of calculations and I forget now as they were rough and I figured I would pkay around with them next month while sunning in the Keys.... ..... and worrying less about thermal rise....
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:47 AM   #25
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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 View Post
I wandered down into my AT34 engine room and came up with the following about the hot water heater:
Seaward Model F-1200, 11 gallons, 120 volts .
My Seaward Al tank catastrophically crapped out after 9 years. The local yard advises unlined Al tanks require a watchful eye. It appeared the heat exchanger metals were not compatible with the tank. EMFs at work maybe?
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:03 AM   #26
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Originally Posted by Lou_tribal View Post
You just save the price of a new expensive water heater... CHAMPAGNE!!!
Interestingly, we would all spend the money on a hot water heater but never on a good bottle of champagne.
The meek will inherit the earth but, the brave will inherit the seas.
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