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08-03-2017, 05:07 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: I went like forever before ever using a Bidet and first time was totally curiosity. Now I don't understand why they're not the standard, why all toilets don't have them
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I have a feeling that what you call a bidet is totally different to a bum gun :-)
Downside to them is I feel unclean if using a toilet without a bum gun - dirty unclean heathens
bum gun - Google Search
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08-03-2017, 05:15 PM
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Senior Member
City: Miami, FL
Vessel Name: Mermaid Life
Vessel Model: Mainship 400
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I've been using Scott's single ply tissue for more than 15 years in every kind of head I can think of. If has never caused a problem, not even in copious amounts. I once did a test - took two glasses of water, and put equal amounts of Scott's tissue and "marine" tissue. Gave each glass a stir at the same time. In both of them, the TP broke up pretty much instantly to the point you couldn't tell which is which. That was all I needed to see.
I have a friend who uses Charmin in his vacuflush. I'm not that brave.
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08-03-2017, 05:17 PM
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#23
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
I have a feeling that what you call a bidet is totally different to a bum gun :-)
Downside to them is I feel unclean if using a toilet without a bum gun - dirty unclean heathens
bum gun - Google Search
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Wifey B: Same basically. Come in different forms. A bidet by itself is just a separate unit for spray and clean. Bum gun you show is just used at the toilet. Combining the two into one unit makes a lot of sense to me.
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08-03-2017, 05:22 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 4,375
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: I went like forever before ever using a Bidet and first time was totally curiosity. Now I don't understand why they're not the standard, why all toilets don't have them, why all homes don't. It just seems logical vs paper only.
And Peggie's book is great. Only toilet guru I know so promote promote promote. No one else dared take on this dirty subject.
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In a non so distant time ago bidet were pretty common in France and each house had one. Now it is looked as a strange appliance but at the time it was the most hygienic way to clean some hard to reach area
Speaking about the subject of the thread, like mentioned before, for us no paper goes down the toilet. A small trash with a lid that we empty as often as possible does the trick.
L.
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08-03-2017, 06:33 PM
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Guru
City: East Coast
Vessel Name: M/V Maerin (Sold)
Vessel Model: Solo 4303
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 886
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As a retired licensed master plumber with over 25 yrs in the trade, I had my share of messy experiences. I can tell you stories you wouldn't want to hear over dinner. As a life-long boater I can also tell you that if you use toilet paper that passes Peggy's disintegration test, you can safely flush it. We have always used her advice and never place Kleenex/tissue where it's within reach of the head, it'll surely end up in the bowl.
And for those who insist on depositing & storing feces-smeared paper in a container that must be handled later, even for a hardened plumber, that's just GROSS! Use appropriate toilet tissue, dispose of it in a sanitary manner- flush it!!
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08-03-2017, 06:38 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,333
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The issue with one ply tissue is you need to fold it double or....thus making it 2 ply.
A bidet is great at home. Wet wipes disposed of other than down the head are a second choice substitute.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-03-2017, 06:44 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
The issue with one ply tissue is you need to fold it double or....thus making it 2 ply.
A bidet is great at home. Wet wipes disposed of other than down the head are a second choice substitute.
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Wifey B: One ply double still isn't the same as 2 ply. Same volume but not same structure. If Bidet is fine at home, why not on boat?
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08-03-2017, 07:22 PM
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#28
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: If Bidet is fine at home, why not on boat?
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Space? Water consumption? I would hardly fit one in my boat. But I could jump in the river and rub my ... there
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08-03-2017, 08:01 PM
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#29
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
Space? Water consumption? I would hardly fit one in my boat. But I could jump in the river and rub my ... there
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Bum gun like I use takes up no additional space.
Water supply could be raw water but uses less than 1 litre of fresh when used, which in turn is less water used during the flush.
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08-03-2017, 09:22 PM
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Senior Member
City: Comox
Vessel Model: 1989 Wellington 57 motorsailer
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 281
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
I have a feeling that what you call a bidet is totally different to a bum gun :-)
Downside to them is I feel unclean if using a toilet without a bum gun - dirty unclean heathens
bum gun - Google Search
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Just curious, is the bum gun water pre-heated?
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08-03-2017, 10:05 PM
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
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Ok, now your butt is soaked--next step is?
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Lucky Lucky
Stuart, FL
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08-03-2017, 10:07 PM
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#33
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hmason
Ok, now your butt is soaked--next step is?
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Your butt - HOLE is soaked and CLEAN requiring a small amount of paper to dry
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08-03-2017, 11:26 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Let`s add some class to the discussion. English aristocracy used live swans for toilet cleanups - "Ah, that`s better, pass me one of those swans, would you?" It`s why some TP is called "swansdown".
I`m guessing the swans were "cleaned and recycled", for further use.
Wifey B, if you`ve room for a bidet onboard you could surely accommodate some swans.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-03-2017, 11:35 PM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadMistress
Just spent a couple of hours over the weekend pulling the Tecma and disassembling the pump to remove a wad of Kleenex tissue, which took on the consistency of 3/8" rope after a few revolutions of the pump.
That must have been a huge wad of Kleenex! There's a much easier way: if you reverse the wiring, that makes the toilet run backward, which causes it "spit up" clogs. Call Thetford (they own Tecma) for instructions on how to do that.
I first learned about it from a brand new Selene owner in who'd tied up next to the boat I'd been brought to Alaska to solve some problems on (URSA Major) in 2006. Of course I had to ask 'em what toilets were on the boat and how they liked 'em. Tecma...they loved 'em! Any problems? Yes, one...they'd had their teenage granddaughters aboard for a week...when the girls ran out of TP, they used paper towels instead of asking for more. Took 'em 3 days to clog the toilet. Granddad called the dealer in Seattle who told 'em how to fix it...it worked! I've since heard of it working on other electric macerating toilets too.
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Great Trick! Thanks Peggie - You're the best!!
Almost seems that toilet designers/manufacturers should have a model option that for a bit more initial purchase cost the "Back-It-Out" feature could be available with simply a forward/reverse electric switch.
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08-03-2017, 11:45 PM
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#36
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Let`s add some class to the discussion..
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I should have referred to the cleaned region as the 3rd largest planet.
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08-04-2017, 06:37 AM
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#37
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,154
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48 rolls $39.....
Meets "best in test" standards aboard for all visitors and stay aboard guests.....
Yes expensive RV paper, but at less than $1 per roll, hard to complain.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html/ref=nav_cart
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08-04-2017, 07:37 AM
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#38
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,088
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PMF1984
Chris,
The head is a Jabsco Model 37010-Series and the macerator pump is Model 18590-Series.
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Peggie's info applies...
But FWIW, and since it might be similar, our electric-flush head is a 37045, and we use the same extra soft 2-ply paper that we would use at home. Haven't yet found a critical quantity, but we do pay some attention to that, usually limited to no more than two rounds of 5-sheets each flush.
(Haven't ever found a single-ply TP that I can abide. Nasty stuff.)
Standard rule onboard: whoever clogs it fixes it.
Our macerator is from the same series. Don't get to use it often since we're mostly always inland, but it's the same macerator we have on the fishbox... and I can tell you it spits out fish bits and scales and so forth just fine.
-Chris
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08-04-2017, 07:53 AM
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#39
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Mrs G said if she and our friends ever had to put dirty poo paper in a separate bucket and dump it after a week that will be the day I sell the boat
I said I agree
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08-04-2017, 08:42 AM
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#40
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Guru
City: Tampa, FL
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 672
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Get several buckets. Fill them w water and put various TP in each one. After a time (one hour to maybe several days) I suspect it will be obvious what TP to use. We never use anything but marine TP.
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Ditto this procedure, but I have always been able to find cheap, single-ply from the grocery store that worked as well as the expensive stuff from West Marine.
But -- main point -- if you have questions about your marine head, first and foremost, buy Peggy's book... http://tinyurl.com/y7fg8zcj
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