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04-13-2022, 11:48 AM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Any reason to keep my mast/boom?
Thinking about removing my mast and boom. The only thing mounted to it is my anchor light, spreader lights and some kind of round antennae that is not in use.
Thinking about either not have a mast at all or a much shorter mast that wouldn't have all the wire stays running on the upper deck. Maybe have the standard base mount and another solid mount around the mast to connect it to upper deck/aft house area.
If I did shorten it by about 5 feet that would keep my air draft to around 15 feet and if I did need to lower it it would not cut my aft deck in half. I'd still have good visibility on my anchor light.
I plan on adding davits on the stern someday so would not necessarily need the boom.
But I dunno......
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04-13-2022, 12:01 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,635
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The round thing is either going to be the RADAR oe TV antenna
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04-13-2022, 12:05 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
The round thing is either going to be the RADAR oe TV antenna
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Definitely not radar(I wish), probably TV I'm pretty sure it's a Shakespeare brand on it.
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04-13-2022, 01:48 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 16,379
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Nothing wrong with shorting it as long as the anchor and steaming lights are visible as needed for the nav rules.
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04-13-2022, 03:25 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,188
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Use the search function. You will find several threads on masts. Your question is unique only in asking whether to have a mast. The answer to that lies in your intended replacement locations for the nav and anchor lights and maybe the deck lighting.
My recommendation is to shorten the mast as you have indicated, to dispose of the stays, to capture the mast at the edge of the upper deck and step it on the lower deck. Mine is that way and supports lights, flags, radar and a lifting boom. I have lifted my Laser, which has leaked most of its life (not at this very moment) and so that lifting boom was called upon to lift the 150# boat+ up to another 150# of water. For that lift I ran a line from the base of the radar to the base of the helm chair and it was sufficient.
If you don't rig a lifting boom, no worries at all about being unstayed.
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04-13-2022, 03:26 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
Nothing wrong with shorting it as long as the anchor and steaming lights are visible as needed for the nav rules.
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I believe I will be all set with lights. I'll be sure to put my white all around/anchor light back on top of the shortened mast. I also have the forward facing white light on the fly bridge and a white stern light above the transom.
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04-13-2022, 03:38 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Thanks Keith, what you describe having done is what I am leaning toward.
I did first search for mast removal or something similar and nothing was found.
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04-13-2022, 03:47 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieO.
Thanks Keith, what you describe having done is what I am leaning toward.
I did first search for mast removal or something similar and nothing was found.
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My mast step failed while lifting a Sabot. Cass rules mandate the minimum weight for a fully rigged Sabot at 52#. That mast step failed lifting just the empty hull. It was a cast Aluminum step. I replaced that, then the mast. I now have more height, a long enough boom to reach the centerline of the Laser beside the boat and all the previously described add ons. My welder used an Aluminum irrigation pipe, 3" diameter. He moved the step down a deck and added a mast capturing gizmo attached to the upper deck using the bolt holes the old step was in.
My criterion was to eliminate stays, as they act to decapitate anyone rushing from or to the upper deck, elevate the lights a bit, lift the Laser, fly some flags and elevate the anchor and steaming lights a bit.
All working well after ~25 years.
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04-13-2022, 04:46 PM
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Guru
City: Trenton
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,417
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Without it's mast it's not a Marine Trader 34 DC, the world's most popular trawler.
It's just a short, fat, old powerboat that looks like it's missing something.
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Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader
"Angelina"
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04-13-2022, 05:39 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alormaria
Without it's mast it's not a Marine Trader 34 DC, the world's most popular trawler.
It's just a short, fat, old powerboat that looks like it's missing something.
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Like me! 
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04-13-2022, 06:32 PM
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Senior Member
City: Ballard
Vessel Model: 1998 RealShips Voyager
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 193
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alormaria
Without it's mast it's not a Marine Trader 34 DC, the world's most popular trawler.
It's just a short, fat, old powerboat that looks like it's missing something.
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Perfectly said!
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04-13-2022, 06:59 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Soo Valley
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 2,887
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alormaria
Without it's mast it's not Marine Trader 34 DC, the world's most popular trawler.
It's just a short, fat, old powerboat that looks like it's missing something.
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No offense meant, said in jest.
Without it's mast it's not a Grand Banks, the world's most popular trawler. But a Marine Trader 34 DC, who would notice.
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You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
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04-13-2022, 07:58 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Keith, my mast is already mounted to the lower aft state room roof, I think I'll look into a bracket off the rear fly bridge deck to allow me to remove my cable stays. I'll still need the bracket so I can occasionally lower the mast.
I must admit I do like the classic look with the mast.
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04-13-2022, 08:32 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,188
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieO.
Keith, my mast is already mounted to the lower aft state room roof, I think I'll look into a bracket off the rear fly bridge deck to allow me to remove my cable stays. I'll still need the bracket so I can occasionally lower the mast.
I must admit I do like the classic look with the mast.
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It is also a great help on special days when you want to fly your signal flags.
For lowering, I have an "A" (not Russian) that I pin to the mast as it lowers toward the deck, where it provides support so the radar and masthead are both as low as the top of the venturi. My shelter isn't quite that low, but it gives me the access to everything fastened to the mast without needing to scale it.
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04-14-2022, 10:52 AM
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Guru
City: Trenton
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieO.
Keith, my mast is already mounted to the lower aft state room roof, I think I'll look into a bracket off the rear fly bridge deck to allow me to remove my cable stays. I'll still need the bracket so I can occasionally lower the mast.
I must admit I do like the classic look with the mast.
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Without stays where will you put the ratlines?
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Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader
"Angelina"
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04-14-2022, 11:13 AM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Vessel Name: Luna C.
Vessel Model: 1977 Marine Trader 34DC
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 681
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Yours look great Al, maybe after I add the crows nest.
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04-19-2022, 07:17 PM
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Veteran Member
City: St. Clair Shores, MI
Vessel Name: Solvogn
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 32
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 93
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Think about radar.
You can get along well without a mast, but consider what it does for radar: The higher the better. We have big lakes, big ships and it is nice to have long-range radar.
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04-19-2022, 07:39 PM
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Senior Member
City: North
Vessel Name: Broadbill
Vessel Model: Willard 36
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 361
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I use mine for lifting my skiff,my stay sail,also have radar and tv antenna,just redid all new turnbuckles on the staycables,plus they complete the trawler look
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04-19-2022, 07:47 PM
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Senior Member
City: Corpus Christi
Vessel Model: Willard Vega Horizon
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 415
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When you raid and pillage towns and fishing villages, how will you intimidate without a mast?
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04-19-2022, 08:03 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,388
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Being in a heavy US Navy exercise area with fast moving destroyers when I bought my woodie trawler, the fist thing I mounted as high as I could get it was a radar reflector. In later years I moored it under a covered slip, but did not want to cut it off or down for too many reasons to enumerate here (but one was the lovely proportions of the boat with mast). Lowering it to 45 degrees solved the covered slip iss with 17 feet of air draft. I also lowered it to that position when in the ICW in south florida with all its 24-foot bridges (air draft was 26 feet with mast up. I was once timed, unbeknownst to me) at 2.5 minutes to raise it and have all four stays secured when exiting my slip. At that angle it did not get in the way of anything.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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