Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-19-2022, 10:23 AM   #1
Guru
 
City: Victoria B.C.
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 655
Trash handling aboard

Lately I've been reading up a bit on regs and trends in trash handling. Heard many mentions about cutting the bottoms out of wine bottles, for example , before tossing them overboard. But none mentioned any benefit for the hassle. Bottles sink anyway. In my day everybody just threw everything overboard, including black water tanks, as long as one was 3 or 12 miles out. Whats with this bottle thing?
JWellington is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 11:23 AM   #2
Guru
 
Portage_Bay's Avatar
 
City: Coupeville Wa.
Vessel Name: Pacific Myst
Vessel Model: West Bay 4500
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,414
Yes, I've heard of the practice and know boaters who do it. I won't becasue it litters the bottom with trash. When dragging the bottom for biological research samples it is alarming how much trash comes up. I had room for the full bottles when I left on the cruise, I still have room for the empties till I get back.
__________________
Some things are worth doing simply because they are worth doing.
Portage_Bay is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 11:54 AM   #3
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWellington View Post
Lately I've been reading up a bit on regs and trends in trash handling. Heard many mentions about cutting the bottoms out of wine bottles, for example , before tossing them overboard. But none mentioned any benefit for the hassle. Bottles sink anyway. In my day everybody just threw everything overboard, including black water tanks, as long as one was 3 or 12 miles out. Whats with this bottle thing?
Don't know where you're reading, but I'd suggest changing libraries. Just because one can, doesn't mean one should. As to wine bottles, we don't empty any at sea as none consumed when underway. However, we don't throw anything overboard that isn't biodegradable and we macerate and treat even that. We do have a compactor for can's, paper, etc. We generally don't use glass on board. I realize that if one is in 2000' of water, it probably doesn't matter, but I just see no reason to do so.
BandB is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 11:54 AM   #4
Guru
 
City: Victoria B.C.
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by Portage_Bay View Post
Yes, I've heard of the practice and know boaters who do it. I won't becasue it litters the bottom with trash. When dragging the bottom for biological research samples it is alarming how much trash comes up. I had room for the full bottles when I left on the cruise, I still have room for the empties till I get back.
All the glass is on the bottom either way. Room for the empies? Geeez. Imagine...4pax on boat, 3 or 4 weeks at sea....say 2 bottles per day. Sure you had them at start, but most dont want to have them around. Anyway trash in the sea or landfills...most not recycled. Im in dominican right now and all glass is just thrown in garbage.
JWellington is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 12:18 PM   #5
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
We have learned the following that works for us and reduce the amount of trash to shore.

1. While at the dock, go through all you ship stores. If the item is in a box, take it out and mark it. Cut or mark the cooking instructions. This save a lot of space and trash.

2. You may like bottled beer, but switch to cans. crush the cans. A small kitchen waste basket holds a lot of crushed cans. You can also crush veggie cans after you rinse them.

3. Boxed wine instead of bottle. I know this is almost forbidden, at least to my wife.

4. Take a large coffee can and use it for biologicals. Food scraps, peels etc. Once outside your anchorage, dump the scraps overboard.

5. Rinse things out before placing them in the trash. This will cut down any smells.

Reduce the on-board trash items as much as you can. Once you get to a marina that accepts trash, you will have less to deposit.

Remember, burning your trash on shore in B.C. is illegal and you could be cited if LEO catches you doing so.

I am sure there are other items that can be left at shore to reduce your trash.
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 12:18 PM   #6
TF Site Team
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,828
We use a lot of box wines aboard... cardbordeaux... really some like black box aren't too bad. If cruising extended times it easy to remove outer box ashore and put bladders in a drawer or box for storage. One original outer box let's you handle & pour easily. Beer cans compress & store easily for recycling alum.
Unpacking groceries ashore eliminates a lot of bulk.
__________________
Don
2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 12:20 PM   #7
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
Don't know about Canada but US and many countries follow MARPOL regulations by treaty.

Many places you can dump darn near anything overboard...in the Arctic it winds up sitting on the ice much of the year.
psneeld is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 12:47 PM   #8
Guru
 
Sealife's Avatar
 
City: Baltimore
Vessel Name: Sea life
Vessel Model: Krogen 42 #61
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 686
I think the bottle thing is about a small creature going in though neck and growing, then not being able to get out...
__________________
Scott

www.caribbeansealife.com
Sealife is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 01:03 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Osprey69's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville/Bahamas
Vessel Name: Rogue
Vessel Model: Gulfstar 49 MY
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 431
When racing to Bermuda aboard our 40' sailboat, we de-carboard all packaging, throw any food items over the side and purchase quick composting biodegradable paper products which also goes over the side. All plastic items are cut up and put in a garbage bag.

After a 4 day trip with 4 people on board, we barely fill half a tall kitchen trash bag.
Osprey69 is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 01:15 PM   #10
Guru
 
City: Victoria B.C.
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
Don't know about Canada but US and many countries follow MARPOL regulations by treaty.

Many places you can dump darn near anything overboard...in the Arctic it winds up sitting on the ice much of the year.
I think I just read MARPOL says anything 12_miles out is ok.
JWellington is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 01:17 PM   #11
Guru
 
City: Victoria B.C.
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osprey69 View Post
When racing to Bermuda aboard our 40' sailboat, we de-carboard all packaging, throw any food items over the side and purchase quick composting biodegradable paper products which also goes over the side. All plastic items are cut up and put in a garbage bag.

After a 4 day trip with 4 people on board, we barely fill half a tall kitchen trash bag.
Try 4 WEEKS, 4 or 5 people.
JWellington is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 01:18 PM   #12
Guru
 
City: Victoria B.C.
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 655
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sealife View Post
I think the bottle thing is about a small creature going in though neck and growing, then not being able to get out...
Ahhhhh, possibly. Never heard or read that mentioned.
JWellington is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 01:54 PM   #13
Guru
 
Moonfish's Avatar


 
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Traveler
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 46 LRC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,576
We try and avoid dumping ANYTHING into the water! The old adage "take only pictures, leave only footprints" could be paraphrased to "take only what you can keep until you can leave it ashore."
__________________
Darren
m/v Traveler - '79 Cheoy Lee 46 LRC, Port Townsend, WA
https://www.boatertested.com
https://www.theboatgeeks.com
Moonfish is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 02:14 PM   #14
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWellington View Post
I think I just read MARPOL says anything 12_miles out is ok.
Oil isn't, maybe a few other things.

12 miles is recognized territorial waters.
psneeld is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 02:16 PM   #15
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,312
I was never one for luxuries on my boat, but I really found the trash compactor to be extremely helpful when out at sea for a week or more.

Wish I could fit an incinerator onboard like the big ships do.
Mako is online now  
Old 01-19-2022, 02:26 PM   #16
Guru
 
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,554
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
Oil isn't, maybe a few other things.

12 miles is recognized territorial waters.

I think the other big exception is no plastic at any time.
rslifkin is online now  
Old 01-19-2022, 02:58 PM   #17
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by rslifkin View Post
I think the other big exception is no plastic at any time.
Reminds me of the central Pacific with miles and miles of trash floating on top. Sad
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 03:43 PM   #18
Guru
 
BandB's Avatar
 
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
I return to the OP and others talking about throwing trash in the ocean and ask, "What is the problem you're having and trying to address?" Are you cruising months without going near shore? Is it cans, cardboard, glass? The example used of wine bottles just seems so obvious to me, that you rinse it and put it right back where you got it. If you don't go anywhere for more wine, then the space is available. If you go for more, then that's where you dispose of the bottle.

I just don't grasp the burden that is forcing people to dump in the ocean. Perhaps those who spend months at sea and far from any land, but I don't know many of those active here and the ones I do know are not the ones indicating a problem.

I choose not to litter but it's not just because of laws against littering. I've never been in a situation in which it was necessary. Even if it's cans, crush them and you have less than you brought with you. Even cardboard, less than at the start. Only thing we put in the water is food. So will someone please explain the need and desire to me.

Thanks.
BandB is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 03:49 PM   #19
Guru
 
Alaskan Sea-Duction's Avatar
 
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,050
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB View Post
I return to the OP and others talking about throwing trash in the ocean and ask, "What is the problem you're having and trying to address?" Are you cruising months without going near shore? Is it cans, cardboard, glass? The example used of wine bottles just seems so obvious to me, that you rinse it and put it right back where you got it. If you don't go anywhere for more wine, then the space is available. If you go for more, then that's where you dispose of the bottle.



I just don't grasp the burden that is forcing people to dump in the ocean. Perhaps those who spend months at sea and far from any land, but I don't know many of those active here and the ones I do know are not the ones indicating a problem.



I choose not to litter but it's not just because of laws against littering. I've never been in a situation in which it was necessary. Even if it's cans, crush them and you have less than you brought with you. Even cardboard, less than at the start. Only thing we put in the water is food. So will someone please explain the need and desire to me.



Thanks.
Good point.
Alaskan Sea-Duction is offline  
Old 01-19-2022, 03:49 PM   #20
Guru
 
O C Diver's Avatar
 
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB View Post
So will someone please explain the need and desire to me.

Thanks.
Laziness.

Ted
__________________
Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
O C Diver is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Trawler Port Captains
Port Captains are TF volunteers who can serve as local guides or assist with local arrangements and information. Search below to locate Port Captains near your destination. To learn more about this program read here: TF Port Captain Program





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:19 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012