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Old 07-23-2020, 10:00 AM   #1
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We are currently a small family looking at a possible liveaboard situation. We are both in our mid 20's and looking for a lifestyle change. We love to travel and spend about a month + every year in Florida, we love the water and everything to do with the beach. We recently went to cape coral/ft myers to look at investment homes and spent some time looking at where we would live if we decided to liveaboard. We seem to have settle on the mooring field in ft myers.



Our next step is to test out living aboard, we are currently in central ohio but all the charters for 2+ nights seem crazy expensive, over $3000.00 for 3 nights? If you have any suggestions on a great lake charter let us know.



My boating experience has always been with smaller fishing boats, we are currently looking at a smaller fixer upper trawler. I would like to be 40' + but after lots of research it seems we should go with the smallest boat we can deal with before moving up to a huge boat. Good or bad idea? My only concern with upgrading in the future is having a hard time selling the boat, it seems like right now it is a buyers market.



I personally flip homes, am a welder by trade and do 99% of the work on our own cars. Boats are new to me but I do think after some more reading/hands on experience I will be able to handle a large amount of the issues that come up.



Our plan is to find a boat, fix it up near sandusky/Cleveland and take it down to florida.



List of questions:

#1
We are "currently" planning on spending all our time in florida/Bahamas, what does everyone do during hurricane season? I assume you would try to avoid this as much as possible but what do you do if your "stuck" on your boat.

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we are only looking at non wooden boats, any years/manufactuers to stay away from? Seems like a Carver 3607 is what we have been looking at a lot. Good or bad choice? We need a minimum of 2 rooms/berths. We are tall people and like our own space, not to mention the smaller of the two would turn into an office. Guest can sleep on a pull out,

#3

Any suggestions on marinas around sandusky/cleveland that would allow us to pull the boat out and do work in there yard?

#4

what are we missing?

We have figured out our income stream as we are not retired so working is a must for the time being. We are looking into classes/trying to find a charter to test the waters out. We are trying to get out and touch/see as many boats as we can. I live a pretty minimalist life style the only thing I wont be able to get rid of are all the tools needed for flipping/maintaining our properties. solution to this is a storage locker.



Other then this I feel like there is a lot of info that I am missing out on, any suggestions on what to read?



Also if anyone in the ohio area would need a hand with anything please let me know I would gladly lend a helping hand in exchange for experience.



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Lots of good questions but unfortunately there are no cookie cutter answers. Experience and knowledge are your friend. You have come to the right place though. My wife and I are year round live aboards in southern Ct. This is our fifth boat and I am a DIY'r.
Study up on all of the systems, electrical, hydraulic, plumbing etc.... Things that you can do on a house are not up to ABYC code (twist nuts for wire connections are a huge NO NO).
As far as what boats ?? Look on Yachtworld and see what you can afford with lots of left over money, just in case.
We have small Ford Lehman diesels in our 41' President. We travel 8 kts and burn 3 GPH in each. Real efficient and bullet proof engines but SLOW ? Speed costs $$
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Welcome to the forum! I can't answer your questions, but I'm impressed by your ambition and the thought you've put into realizing your dream.

Most young people seem to start with sailboats. Did you consider that option? I'm not trying to talk you out of power or suggesting sail would be better, just wondering.

Keep us posted on your progress.

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Welcome to the forum! I can't answer your questions, but I'm impressed by your ambition and the thought you've put into realizing your dream.

Most young people seem to start with sailboats. Did you consider that option? I'm not trying to talk you out of power or suggesting sail would be better, just wondering.

Keep us posted on your progress.

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I originally wanted a cat but after looking around I am not ready to drop over 100k into a boat on something that in a year i might realize I hate. Not to mention I am almost 6'4 and it seems a trawler would give me more room. Its been something I've been researching on and off for about 2 years and we are finally to the point we need some change and if we can find a boat to live on and pay cash or take a very small loan out we could actually end up saving more money and free up loans to let us get more properties. Also it seems like I can get a fixer upper for 20k.. with a low ball offer im sure I can get under that... If anyone is selling there boat and I throw you a low ball offer, don't take it personally. Bartering is one of my favorite things to do lol thats how we got our current house
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Lots of good questions but unfortunately there are no cookie cutter answers. Experience and knowledge are your friend. You have come to the right place though. My wife and I are year round live aboards in southern Ct. This is our fifth boat and I am a DIY'r.
Study up on all of the systems, electrical, hydraulic, plumbing etc.... Things that you can do on a house are not up to ABYC code (twist nuts for wire connections are a huge NO NO).
As far as what boats ?? Look on Yachtworld and see what you can afford with lots of left over money, just in case.
We have small Ford Lehman diesels in our 41' President. We travel 8 kts and burn 3 GPH in each. Real efficient and bullet proof engines but SLOW ? Speed costs $$

Yeah yachtworld and facebook market place seem to be a decent place to find some deals. Any recommendations on codes/system to follow?
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Wait, What? In your 20's and looking for a lifestyle change? Thats all fine and good but have you earned a lifestyle change? In fact, do you even have a lifestyle which needs changing?

Honestly I think it is too soon to be considering a live aboard, vagabond lifestyle. We need more information on you to properly assist you. Kids? pets? are you independently wealthy?
You don't mention what the Admiral does for a living but you being a welder means you have to report for work somewhere every day you want to make some money. That means a dingy ride or a swim from the mooring field to your car.

Living aboard in a mooring field is not a good solution. There is no power, bathroom and shower facilities on a boat are limited to a quick rinse in semi cold water and the need to empty a holding tank twice a week. Some areas, Florida may be one of them, do not even allow grey water discharge.

If the idea of a $3,000 three day charter concerns you I think your starting point should be more of a R.V. lifestyle. Get the feel of small quarters, lack of storage and all the limitations of living in about 500 sq feet. Rent or buy a motorhome or a trailer and see if you can make it work.

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While I admire a dreamer, there must be some realism too. You talk about y ou and your family. Can you please elaborate as to family?

You mention an income plan but you seem astonished by $3000 for the charter and you want to spend less than $20k for a boat for a family to live on and to cruise on.

I don't understand how you intend to pull this off but I would not live with 4 people, two of them kids on a $20k boat. What about school? And making a living? You can't weld remotely.

Then, do you have any idea the cost of dockage in FL or in the Bahamas? The cost for boat repairs in either?

I don't think you've researched this of filled in all the blanks and I feel like by encouraging you, I'd be really leading you down a dangerous path.

Are you related to Galaxy Girl?
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Wait, What? In your 20's and looking for a lifestyle change? Thats all fine and good but have you earned a lifestyle change? In fact, do you even have a lifestyle which needs changing?

Honestly I think it is too soon to be considering a live aboard, vagabond lifestyle. We need more information on you to properly assist you. Kids? pets? are you independently wealthy?
You don't mention what the Admiral does for a living but you being a welder means you have to report for work somewhere every day you want to make some money. That means a dingy ride or a swim from the mooring field to your car.

Living aboard in a mooring field is not a good solution. There is no power, bathroom and shower facilities on a boat are limited to a quick rinse in semi cold water and the need to empty a holding tank twice a week. Some areas, Florida may be one of them, do not even allow grey water discharge.

If the idea of a $3,000 three day charter concerns you I think your starting point should be more of a R.V. lifestyle. Get the feel of small quarters, lack of storage and all the limitations of living in about 500 sq feet. Rent or buy a motorhome or a trailer and see if you can make it work.

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Wait, What? In your 20's and looking for a lifestyle change? Thats all fine and good but have you earned a lifestyle change? In fact, do you even have a lifestyle which needs changing?

Honestly I think it is too soon to be considering a live aboard, vagabond lifestyle. We need more information on you to properly assist you. Kids? pets? are you independently wealthy?
You don't mention what the Admiral does for a living but you being a welder means you have to report for work somewhere every day you want to make some money. That means a dingy ride or a swim from the mooring field to your car.

Living aboard in a mooring field is not a good solution. There is no power, bathroom and shower facilities on a boat are limited to a quick rinse in semi cold water and the need to empty a holding tank twice a week. Some areas, Florida may be one of them, do not even allow grey water discharge.

If the idea of a $3,000 three day charter concerns you I think your starting point should be more of a R.V. lifestyle. Get the feel of small quarters, lack of storage and all the limitations of living in about 500 sq feet. Rent or buy a motorhome or a trailer and see if you can make it work.

sorry,

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all good points let me fill you in.

#1 have i earned a life style change? that's a little bold but ill bite, been working full time for since 18 successfully started multiple business and run them to this day ( all something I can do online/ a boat). Welding is simply a trade as i think all people should have one, if all my business fail and I lose all my investment properties then I can always weld.. and yes I keep my skills up.



#2 no kids one smaller dog about 40 lbs on a good day, 42 if shes wet. The mooring field is something to simply come back to when the other half needs to work on land, currently she is working on only needing to be in the/an office 2 days a week so she will be able to ride the dinghy/small center console to the shore.



#3 never understood why people make a big deal when someone says something is expensive, I didnt work my ass off and save to blow $3000 on 48 hours of riding in a boat, just because i said something sounds expensive dont assume I dont have the money to back it up. Thats a little bold of you.



#4 our house is 900 sq, downsizing to around 400-500 wouldnt be that big of a deal we are use to living small and have already started the down sizing process to be ready when this day comes.



we have also talked about investing in solar, this is one of the reasons we are looking for hard tops, if not I am sure I can weld a frame up.



we are looking at a 20k boat to keep things cheap, i low ball the sh*t out of people and buy things cheap always have and always will if you would like to spend 50k on a boat that has nice carpet when I can buy the same exact thing that needs a little TLC then be my guess. The reason I am able to make this jump is because I am frugal and spend my money wisely. I/we are not your average young adults,



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While I admire a dreamer, there must be some realism too. You talk about y ou and your family. Can you please elaborate as to family?

You mention an income plan but you seem astonished by $3000 for the charter and you want to spend less than $20k for a boat for a family to live on and to cruise on.

I don't understand how you intend to pull this off but I would not live with 4 people, two of them kids on a $20k boat. What about school? And making a living? You can't weld remotely.

Then, do you have any idea the cost of dockage in FL or in the Bahamas? The cost for boat repairs in either?

I don't think you've researched this of filled in all the blanks and I feel like by encouraging you, I'd be really leading you down a dangerous path.

Are you related to Galaxy Girl?

I am a dreamer 100%, you should start



no kids one small dog,

currently have about 3 years of income in the bank for a rainy day, we have rentals/investment properties and acquire more very year. This is all back up money. I am a full time futures trader and run all my business online. I do not need to be in an office/drive to a 9-5 everyday. I do not go to school all done with that.. waste of money.. one of the reason why I quit and learned a trade. Welding is simply a fall back if I ever lose it all.



We have looked at dockage in FL and the goal would be to be off the dock as much as possible but there will obviously been time spent on a dock and it seems this is about 900-1300 a month from the areas ive looked.



repairs will obviously be a constant issue and that's one of the reasons for the rainy day fund. Like I said in my first post I am trying to learn all I can and am a little more handy then your average young adult.. do i know it all ? HELL NO but I am learning as I go.. personally that is my favorite way to learn. when your F*ck up costs you money you usually end up learning from that lesson and don't repeat it again lol.. I know from experience haha.



as regards to the $3000 look above this, why blow money when I could spend it on something else?



Thanks, let me know if you would like to start dangerously encouraging me



who the hell is galaxy girl? x lover you could never hold down?



remember if your gonna dish it out you have to be able to take it when its thrown back.. no hard feelings
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we are looking at a 20k boat to keep things cheap, i low ball the sh*t out of people and buy things cheap always have and always will if you would like to spend 50k on a boat that has nice carpet when I can buy the same exact thing that needs a little TLC then be my guess. The reason I am able to make this jump is because I am frugal and spend my money wisely. I/we are not your average young adults,


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Wifey B: No you most certainly aren't. Fortunately, although a lot of people accuse young people of thinking they know it all, there are only a small percentage of you who do. Best of luck to you.
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Wifey B: No you most certainly aren't. Fortunately, although a lot of people accuse young people of thinking they know it all, there are only a small percentage of you who do. Best of luck to you.

thank you, I didnt mean to be rude/a dick my intentions are not to burn any bridges.



Im sure you guys/gals get tons of these post on here. I am simply looking for any advice I can get.



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thank you, I didnt mean to be rude/a dick my intentions are not to burn any bridges.



Im sure you guys/gals get tons of these post on here. I am simply looking for any advice I can get.



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Wifey B: I'll try to be constructive here this post.

I'd suggest perhaps you act a bit more like an adult. This isn't a gathering in a bar, it's a forum of adults. I can get young and silly sometimes, but generally it's a good idea not to sprinkle in H and F and D and act like you're so superior to other young people your age. I do know some who have achieved incredible success younger. Talking about how you've beaten so many with your incredible negotiating skills may impress in the bar, but it's not going to impress a group of largely very successful individuals. In fact, some of us wouldn't approve of such a business approach and aren't impressed with lowballing the h out of people.

A little humility as you move into something about which you know nothing might just be wise.

Galaxy Girl was a former woman here who wouldn't listen to anyone and knew it all. She bought a boat for her, her five kids, and her mother to live aboard. She was also a property rehabber and thought she knew it all. Had a falling out with the captain she hired on the way home and he left at the first port. She kept the boat one winter and then sold it and switched to an RV.

I'm not saying either GG or you are bad people. I am saying your approach won't lead you to the information you so desperately need or lead you to use it wisely when you're afforded it.
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Wifey B: I'll try to be constructive here this post.

I'd suggest perhaps you act a bit more like an adult. This isn't a gathering in a bar, it's a forum of adults. I can get young and silly sometimes, but generally it's a good idea not to sprinkle in H and F and D and act like you're so superior to other young people your age. I do know some who have achieved incredible success younger. Talking about how you've beaten so many with your incredible negotiating skills may impress in the bar, but it's not going to impress a group of largely very successful individuals. In fact, some of us wouldn't approve of such a business approach and aren't impressed with lowballing the h out of people.

A little humility as you move into something about which you know nothing might just be wise.

Galaxy Girl was a former woman here who wouldn't listen to anyone and knew it all. She bought a boat for her, her five kids, and her mother to live aboard. She was also a property rehabber and thought she knew it all. Had a falling out with the captain she hired on the way home and he left at the first port. She kept the boat one winter and then sold it and switched to an RV.

I'm not saying either GG or you are bad people. I am saying your approach won't lead you to the information you so desperately need or lead you to use it wisely when you're afforded it.
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alright lets start this all over, not trying to be rude/or immature and not trying to "impress" anyone 99% of what I said in the previous post would have never come out if I didn't feel like I was being pushed into a corner. If I did offended anyone I apologize and hope we can all move past this as I have a lot to learn and think this is a very valuable resource and don't want to burn any bridges. Thank you all for your input and taking the time to make sure this isn't just a wild goose chase and that I/we are being smart/responsible about this.



Dinghy: It seems that the width of most of these boats is right around 12', a dinghy is going to be a must as it will be our water taxi/ how to explore some areas. I have seen some people with smaller Boston whalers and other seem to go the rib boat way. I would assume the rib would obviously weigh much less which would making load/unloading much easier and I would assume it would save on fuel consumption. But on the other hand it seems like a 13-16 ft whaler would be a little bigger. If this extended 2' from either side of the boat would this make dock/ finding a place to dock the boat hard? I have seen a handful of people who simply tow the boat about 100 yards behind them once they get to sea. to try and keep the boat out of the wake. During rough seas I would assume this would be an issue? Don't really want to sink my water taxi? We are taller then you average person as I am almost 6'4 and she is 6'1. I would like to find something that I can fit in and wouldn't mind taking an hour plus ride in.



I have seen some extremely cheap deep v aluminum center consoles and I know this would need to be protected to prevent the any fouling, but you don't see a lot ( I haven't) of these being used as a dinghy. Any rhyme or reason as to why this is?



Also has anyone added there own extended swim platform, I would assume labor alone would be a few thousand at least.



also I don't understand the whole wifey B thing, two people one account?



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Hi Psquared,
Here's a thread discussing the pros & cons of towing a dinghy. You might find some useful thoughts on the subject here.
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...der-51319.html


There's also this thread, if you haven't already seen it:https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...get-52130.html


As far as the "wifey..." thing - yes, two people on one account. You'll see this occasionally on this forum.
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Does anyone have any experience with a Whaly?

https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2020-whaly-500-7394196/



Looks like it could be light and durable.



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I don't think you've researched this or filled in all the blanks and I feel like by encouraging you, I'd be really leading you down a dangerous path.
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I couldn't agree more!
I think I've said this multiple times I don't know everything and have a lot to learn.. kinda the whole reason I am asking questions and stated that multiple times, If I knew it all I wouldn't be on here.



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I would give you lots of suggestions however typing from an iPad I’d tough on my fingers and to many mistakes.

You really need to start out by looking at a lot of boats. Shop on the net and then go look. Save screen shots of boats that have interest for comparison later. You have a lot to learn and by going to look at a lot of boats you will learn. Go hang out around marinas. You will find a lot of folks willing to answer lots of questions and help you out.

Lastly do not let others discourage you from your dreams and ideas. Most if not all of the folks on this board learned from their mistakes. You will hurt your wallet when you make them.

When after a while you decide to dive in (so to speak) then remember to hire professional help with your purchase. Nothing like a good survey to open your eyes to things you may not know or even thought about. Worth every $$$$!

Good luck with your dream! Never let anyone discourage that!
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