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11-12-2017, 06:08 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,673
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Originally Posted by gaston
A photo is worth a million words .
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Two more would be useful though. Fisher 44 or 38?
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11-12-2017, 06:38 PM
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City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Originally Posted by psneeld
The real reason motorsailors are rare is that the people who understand their strengths are rare....
The uneducated cruisers see their weaknesses more than their strengths.
Like swiss army knives and clones, they exist for a reason.
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Everything exists for a reason, some things have more reasons than others.
Why are Swiss Army knives popular while MS boats are the opposite?
Why are people who value the strengths of an MS rare?
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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11-12-2017, 06:46 PM
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City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
Everything exists for a reason, some things have more reasons than others.
Why are Swiss Army knives popular while MS boats are the opposite?
Why are people who value the strengths of an MS rare?
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I think there needs to be a lot more commitment to owning a MS they are not a turn key and go way of boating .
Maybe when one is old enough and has funds to purchase a larger MS the body has worn out and cant keep up lol
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11-12-2017, 07:10 PM
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Guru
City: Campbell River
Vessel Name: Blue Sky
Vessel Model: Nordic Tugs 42 Hull #001
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,960
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As I read through this thread I was feeling that the only attractive boats (to me) were the motor sailors. Beautiful.
But then the Ocean Alexander Mk I was introduced. That is an amazing boat that we almost purchased an example of before Blue Sky.
This one, with good engines (the one we were looking at had triple nickles) and Naids looks very promising.
Look luck on your quest!
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11-12-2017, 07:18 PM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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I really like the look of a motor sailer but one thought from some green wood... Do you have the skills to sail? Do you know how to sail? Just not as easy as turning the key and push the lever. For me this is the question to ask before going to a MS.
If I take myself as an example, no I do not have the skills for this and I do not see me sailing while getting old.
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11-12-2017, 07:20 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,673
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Originally Posted by Diesel Duck
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Same boat, same price!
By default Yachtworld displays in A$ for me, and apparently for anyone using the link I posted. Read down and there is the price in US$ as well. Don't shoot me for the confusion!
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11-12-2017, 07:27 PM
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Senior Member
City: discomfort.reactants.peanuts
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Insequent
Same boat, same price!
By default Yachtworld displays in A$ for me, and apparently for anyone using the link I posted. Read down and there is the price in US$ as well. Don't shoot me for the confusion!
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11-12-2017, 07:34 PM
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Senior Member
City: discomfort.reactants.peanuts
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
I really like the look of a motor sailer but one thought from some green wood... Do you have the skills to sail? Do you know how to sail? Just not as easy as turning the key and push the lever. For me this is the question to ask before going to a MS.
If I take myself as an example, no I do not have the skills for this and I do not see me sailing while getting old.
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Great comment!
My background is based in the powerboat arena ever since I was a wee one, however, as a very young man I was a member of a sailing club in SoCal where I learned how to sail on a 21' Victory and from there I've also sailed a 24' Columbia. Not an extensive sailing background to be sure but I'd feel comfortable tackling and learning to sail something larger and more complicated.
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11-12-2017, 08:37 PM
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City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
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IF you're going to spend a lot of time on the ocean traveling, and under power, the engine(s) need to be part of the consideration. Reliability and economy, fuel and maintenance will have a big impact.
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11-12-2017, 08:46 PM
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City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 4,370
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Originally Posted by Diesel Duck
She's Purdy!
I see something interesting... She's been listed for sale since September 2015 which leads to the question... Why?
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She's in Cooktown which is a reasonably remote location, you won't be flying in, I don't think there is a slipway there and the river has saltwater crocodiles, so doing a bottom dive is out.
It also says 350 views which seems ridiculously low for an add of that age.
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11-12-2017, 09:06 PM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,215
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Quote:
Originally Posted by caltexflanc
For that price definitely a sailboat. Motorsailors are rare for a reason, typically because they don't do either particularly well. As others have noted that's one heck of yearly round trip in a slow boat.
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Motorsailers are only rare on Yachtworld because people who own motorsailers tend to keep them. 
And if anything, they are slightly faster than other full displacement power boats with the sails giving extra propulsion, lift, and stability (all of which add to speed).
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11-13-2017, 07:53 AM
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City: Annapolis
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,197
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Originally Posted by Diesel Duck
What would be your short list of boats in the 40 to 55 foot range that would make a good full-time live aboard for a single person, or couple, and be able to safely & comfortably handle an annual north/south, south/north (bash) migration from Mexico to Alaska and back again?
Requirements/necessities would include stabilization (active or passive), autopilot, radar, water maker, generator, A/C and heat.
Preferences/wants include full displacement, full keel, pilothouse, flying bridge, large full capacity, decent engine room access, fishable, diveable with room for solar panels. Nothing with huge amounts of horsepower.
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Originally Posted by Insequent
Nice boat. But how much better than the OP's existing DD?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Diesel Duck
To be clear... I don't currently own a DD. It's still my dream boat at this point but the stars just haven't aligned perfectly for me to sail away in a SHM DD.
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Ah. That would have been my first question, too.
Some of the older Swedish-built Nauticat pilot-house motorsailors caught our eye, way back when we first started shopping for serious boats. Their newer models don't do much for me, aesthetically, but would perhaps serve. (Except for that flybridge preference, maybe.) May be some ways to increase tankage in these, if necessary, but they were generally fitted out for long-range cruising.
We also looked at a pilothouse motorsailer called an NE37 that we liked. Designed by Mark Ellis, I think the Nonsuch guy. Can't remember if they were going to build a larger model or not...
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11-13-2017, 09:33 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Choey Lee also built some motor sailers. Here's one in San Diego on the small side at 43' but has the tankage and hp to click off some miles. Crusing speed is a reported 9 knots. The down side, as I see it, is all the exterior teak including the decks and that dock box mounted on the fore deck.
1984 Cheoy Lee 43 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
Here's a list of Choey Lee's models, both sail/power and the designers if known.
Models, Cheoy Lee Sailboats
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11-13-2017, 09:52 AM
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City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
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under $ 200, 000 KK42
very few ever make the north south west coast trip on a annual basis more that once..
to do it comfortably you often have to sit a lot to get the right weather windows.
The KK32 has a decent layout, is very fuel deficient and is a great bang for the buck boat.
But to do the West Coast it must be stabilized.
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11-13-2017, 10:24 AM
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Senior Member
City: Perth
Vessel Name: Nimiane
Vessel Model: Finn 8
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 369
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Originally Posted by BandB
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I like this one, looks strong enough to bash your way north into any weather and fast too - maybe just keep going past Alaska and smash a few icebergs on your way to the north pole too.
1978 Palmer Johnson Custom Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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11-13-2017, 10:56 AM
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City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
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DD
Several 10 to 12 year old 47' Beneteaus for sale in Seattle area for your price point. FRP, not steel. Fast sailing and fast under power. Great accommodations. Proven world wide blue water vessels. "Modern" sailboats are indeed great motor sailors. These kinds of boats are why in Europe the classic old motor sailor design dropped out of popularity.
I know several who routinely do Alaska and have done Hawaii. They seldom raise sails in PNW because inshore winds are flukey and they are trying to make tidal reversing areas without tacking. I can barely keep up with a newer design sailboat over 45' traveling under power and in many cases get outrun at my "efficient" normal 7.8 knots.
Several sail boaters I know go about 100 or more miles offshore from Mexico back to PNW, but it is a dreary wet slog. Once in hot Baja Mexico lots of fuel for genset and AC is essential IMHO. This "sit at anchor and socialize" lifestyle negates the nice running sailing vessels that normally are not equipped with AC or large fuel tanks.
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11-13-2017, 12:21 PM
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
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I would be putting Shuckers on my short list too. They havn't been made in several years but good examples are out there, updated and improved.
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11-13-2017, 01:42 PM
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City: Miami
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 683
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There is skookum built monk design currently on yacht world that ticks most of you boxes. She's no Rhodes or Jongert but just as capable and more importantly within your price target.
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11-13-2017, 01:53 PM
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Senior Member
City: discomfort.reactants.peanuts
Join Date: Sep 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bogranjac1
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I found this boat on yachtworld yesterday and I liked it a lot until I read that it had over 1,000 hp.
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