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08-29-2018, 08:52 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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And yet the safest way for a give-way vessel to avoid the stand-on vessel is to go behind his stern. That means going to starboard. Of course making that decision and showing the course change or communicating it well in advance, reduces or eliminates the risk.
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08-29-2018, 08:59 PM
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#102
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Member
City: Scottsbluff, NE
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by High Wire
Hard copies are usually on the shelf at West Marine for around $15.
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Just checked--$8.99 on Amazon--free delivery with Prime.
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08-29-2018, 09:08 PM
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#103
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Hey, here's the solution. Remove all navigational aids. Just fight it out with canon fire.
Would that make everyone happy? Do not show other boaters any respect.
Colregs cannot cover nor were they to address all situations.
Basically, there is 1 rule, do all that is possible to avoid causing loss of life and/or damage. Attempt to contact the other boat via the VHF and or hail horn to determine their intentions. If they do not respond to the radio and your signaling device then, assume every one on board is dead and be prepared to take evasive actions
You can make up all the IFs and Buts you want. The rules cannot cover all circumstances. The rules were not intended to cover all circumstances. Use the common sense you were born with and take take evasions actions and if you can get the name and hail port of the other vessel, report it immediately to the USCG as will I.
There may be a medical emergency onboard the other boat.
With that, I shall read a limited number of comments condemning me, then I shall withdraw from this discussion. It is obviously going no where.
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Two days out the hospital after a week in the hospital because of a significant heart attack.
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08-29-2018, 09:08 PM
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#104
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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You guys do know that it is a requirement to have a copy on board?
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08-29-2018, 09:10 PM
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#105
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
With that, I shall read a limited number of comments condemning me, then I shall withdraw from this discussion. It is obviously going no where.
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“Maybe you who condemn me are in greater fear than I who am condemned.”
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08-29-2018, 09:24 PM
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#106
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,566
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Greetings,
Mr. OD. I'm with you pal. I know a few of the colregs BUT I've got the same rule. Avoid an accident at all costs.
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RTF
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08-29-2018, 09:36 PM
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#107
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
You guys do know that it is a requirement to have a copy on board?
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Having a current copy on board and having to read, in time of stress, are two different things. Then you have to convince the other vessel that you are correct.
So much for Plan A.
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08-29-2018, 09:50 PM
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#108
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Senior Member
City: Tacoma, WA
Vessel Name: Matilda
Vessel Model: Ponderosa (CHB) 35' Sundeck
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 130
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I used to live in Italy, and there are some parts in the south (Naples) where all traffic laws go out the window: red lights, one-ways, speed limits, all of them. And yet there are surprisingly few accidents. Everyone lives by one simple rule: just don’t hit anybody.
I find that works pretty well on the water as well.
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08-29-2018, 09:55 PM
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#109
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schrater
I used to live in Italy, and there are some parts in the south (Naples) where all traffic laws go out the window: red lights, one-ways, speed limits, all of them. And yet there are surprisingly few accidents. Everyone lives by one simple rule: just don’t hit anybody.
I find that works pretty well on the water as well.
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I was always impressed with the traffic at a round about. LOL
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08-29-2018, 09:55 PM
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#110
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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Yup, I am also happily oblivious to the majority of colregs.
In open water with practically no traffic and plenty of room to manoeuvre it is all just common sense. It is easy to stay clear of the one boat on the horizon.
I admit that if the waterways were as busy as what some other members boat in, a different approach would be necessary.
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08-29-2018, 10:34 PM
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#111
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Senior Member
City: Toronto
Vessel Name: Adios Dinero
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3988 2 x 330 Cummins
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 336
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
You guys do know that it is a requirement to have a copy on board?
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Yes, I keep mine in the cabinet right next to Chart #1 which is also mandatory but few carry.
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08-29-2018, 10:50 PM
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#112
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
Hey, here's the solution. Remove all navigational aids. Just fight it out with canon fire....With that, I shall read a limited number of comments condemning me, then I shall withdraw from this discussion. It is obviously going no where.
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Since early on, the task of coming up with unlikely scenarios not based on any available material whereby the sailboat can be held responsible, has been enthusiastically prosecuted. In the very best traditions of TF.
OD, how could you possibly deprive yourself of reading such inventive theories?
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-29-2018, 11:03 PM
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#113
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Since early on, the task of coming up with unlikely scenarios not based on any available material whereby the sailboat can be held responsible, has been enthusiastically prosecuted. In the very best traditions of TF.
OD, how could you possibly deprive yourself of reading such inventive theories?
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Very easily. I have remove myself from more than one board. Another comes to mind, "Guns on board".
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08-29-2018, 11:04 PM
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#114
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Moderator Emeritus
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,267
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All discussion aside, my money says that the person at the helm of the power boat was simply not paying attention.
That is based on the photo.
I DO NOT think this is a situaton where either boat said “I have the right of way” and just let the collision happen.
I think that the sail boat was crossing the power boats path, and probably wonders why the power boat did not change course, and by the time the sail boat realized that the power boat was not going to change course he/she had little they could do.
Think about the angles, draw it out. A sail boat cannot increase or decrease speed as quickly as a power boat, nor can they make major fast course corrections.
But... A little manuverable power boat (like the one in the photo) can.
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08-29-2018, 11:08 PM
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#115
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,333
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Now Kevin, distilling sensible conclusions from available information just won`t do. Stop it.
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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08-29-2018, 11:11 PM
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#116
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Moderator Emeritus
City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Now Kevin, distilling sensible conclusions from available information just won`t do. Stop it.
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Bruce, in your previous post you alluded to the root of the problem, quite eloquently BTW
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08-29-2018, 11:59 PM
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#117
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Gary
Yes, I keep mine in the cabinet right next to Chart #1 which is also mandatory but few carry.
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There is no time to consult the Colregs when a collision appears imminent.
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Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
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08-30-2018, 01:19 AM
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#118
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Gary
Yes, I keep mine in the cabinet right next to Chart #1 which is also mandatory but few carry.
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Yeah, I have both in a rack right behind my helm chair.
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08-30-2018, 05:36 AM
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#119
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Theres a lot more meat in the Navrules than just avoiding a collision.
Its better to just do what you THINK is best rather than follow some VERY general rules debated for decades by experts.
Wow......
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08-30-2018, 05:57 AM
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#120
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Senior Member
City: SOBX North Carolina
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 348
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
Hey, here's the solution. Remove all navigational aids. Just fight it out with canon fire.
Would that make everyone happy? Do not show other boaters any respect.
Colregs cannot cover nor were they to address all situations.
Basically, there is 1 rule, do all that is possible to avoid causing loss of life and/or damage. Attempt to contact the other boat via the VHF and or hail horn to determine their intentions. If they do not respond to the radio and your signaling device then, assume every one on board is dead and be prepared to take evasive actions
You can make up all the IFs and Buts you want. The rules cannot cover all circumstances. The rules were not intended to cover all circumstances. Use the common sense you were born with and take take evasions actions and if you can get the name and hail port of the other vessel, report it immediately to the USCG as will I.
There may be a medical emergency onboard the other boat.
With that, I shall read a limited number of comments condemning me, then I shall withdraw from this discussion. It is obviously going no where.
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Get yourself some big should pads and carry the load proudly. You are in the company of many. You will not get the last word either as this horse is continued to be beaten. Carry the scorn with pride.
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