Can anyone on this forum point me towards an "Honest to God Trawler Site" where I can read about Trawlers, performance charts, cruises, knock downs, etc. This site has evolved into a political forum, economic forum & general news, etc.
I get all that kind of stuff from NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox, Newspapers and television. When I sign on to PMM and this site, I want to read about <u>boats</u>!
About the only boat related post I've read lately is NomadWilly's "Long Way Home" which, BTW, I found interesting, informative and entertaining.
I'll bet I get some flack from this post but I know I'm not alone is this regard.
No flack Walt. Ironically, we started this forum because of the lack of trawler related sites. This forum is what you make it. Maybe everyone needs to make an effort to get more on track with what they want to discuss. IOW, make an active attempt to start threads about things you want to talk about.
The PassageMaker site if filled with alot of useful content.
The message board is actually the same infrastructure as TrawlerForum.com.* The only thing is that it has by far more content so sometimes it takes a second longer to load.* Also for the users convenience they have archived their old message board for users to look through
Also PassageMaker offers many articles for free.* With every issue you will find "Web Extra" content.* Also PassageMaker has been releasing Text-only Versions to every article.* They aren't all uploaded yet but as of today everything up to 2003 appears to up.*
PassageMaker also has a Newsletter in which all that content is available.*
Lastly PassageMaker also provides "Web Exclusive" articles.* The links to all this I have provided below.
Passagemaker's message board is crap. I've been on there for years, and have watched it totally decline. It was a simple, fast, useful site several years ago. Then they started "improving" it. It does NOT run on the same "infrastructure" as this one. They custom built everything to have tons of ads flashing in every screen, which slows things down to an unusable level. As they kept changing the site, they kept losing users. Their only saving grace is that they have an international magazine to PUSH users to the site. The usage is now at least 1/10th of what it used to be, if not less. I gave up on it months ago because it was so slow and clunky, and the board designers didn't seem to care, or were prevented from improving it. I visit there very seldom now. When I do show up, the discussions are very few, and mostly rehashes of stuff that have been discussed to death in the past. I guess for a newbie it would seem interesting, but for us old timers, it's gone to ****.
However, that's the nice thing about the Internet... you can go where you want or stay away.
keith unkind words super user danny is obviously trying to improve things on the pmm website. why else would he be be posting on trawler forum other than to pick up a few tips on how it should be done ?
mind i could be wrong dmitsios/dionysios might not be the same dionysios mitsios that is super user danny *on the pmm site
SeaHorse ll is a 32' Halvorsen Gourmet Cruiser that cruises at 8.5 knots, weighs 15,300 lbs. empty, sleeps two (We don't use the dinette table) has a head and a separate shower, 2 burner propane stove, microwave, single Cummins 330B, 200 gals of fuel and 100gals of water, no flybridge, NorthStar Combo, 3K watt inverter,
FloScan, Fuel polisher, innerspring mattress, TV, icemaker, refrigerator,etc. At WOT she does 10.5 knots. Now, if this isn't a trawler, what the hell is it?
I do not participate in the PMM site but out of curiosity I took a look at it today. It does not appear to have the equivalent of this site's "Off the Deep End," or the Grand Banks Owners site's "Dock Talk." I suspect that if it did, it would be PMM's most popular and used forum. Nothing gets discussion (or argument) going as quickly as politics, business, guns, etc. And boaters, or at least trawler owners, tend to be more mature with more life experience than, say, ski boat owners. So they are more likely to weigh in with strong opinions on these non-boating topics.
The T&T list does not permit non-boating threads, and shuts them off quickly if they begin. Given the e-mail distribution of T&T I can understand this policy as the list would quickly become loaded with hundreds if not thousands of posts about Obama, the economic situation, etc.
PMM has apparently elected to accomplish the same thing by simply not providing a forum for these kinds of topics. But from my brief perusal of the current posts, PMM doesn't seem to offer anything different than this forum or T&T in terms of topics and discussions.
Actually, that's not a trawer either. It looks like it is or was a troller or maybe a gillnetter.* I don't think trawling*has ever been used much, if at all, in the*Pacific Northwest.* A trawler is a fishing vessel that fishes with trawl gear, which is generally a net pulled through the water, often on or just above the bottom but it can be set to fish at shallower depths, too. The most common type of trawl system used in the US is, I believe, the otter trawl, in which the mouth of the long baggy net is held open with a pair of side boards or "doors" that are angled out so their movement through the water forces them out.* I believe it's the most common form of commercial shrimping gear.
Not to be confused with trolling, which is pulling multiple baited hooks or lures through the water, or*gillnetting, which is the use of a*long net hung like a curtain*from a line just under the surface and which catches fish by snagging their gills so they can't back out of the net.* Also not to be confused with seining, which is deploying a net from the boat and pulling it around a school of fish near the surface and then pursing the net under the school and hauling the pursed net aboard and dumping the fish out.
I think trawling is a more prevelent method of fishing in Europe, the UK, Canada,*and Scandanavia than it is in the US other than Alaska where I believe it is the method used to catch bottomfish.
Baker, as a rule I almost never click on "off the deep end" sub-forums because...well...they remind me too much of family gatherings. This general discussion forum hit the doldrums a while back, though, coinciding with the US presidential election hoohaw and I broke my own rule. My bad, and having witnessed the family gathering environment erupt on virtually every thread there, I'll not do it again.
But c'mon, people! Why hack on somebody for not having a trawler on a trawler forum? Near as I can tell, it's a style of boat more than anything else. You don't hear owners of split-level ranch houses tearing into people who live in English Tudors, do you?
sloboat wrote: Have to agree that there's not much new under the sun if you've owned a 30'+ boat for a few years or if you've been on any of these sites for a while.
Therein lies the answer to the original question, I think.* On T&T the same subjects come around again and again, usually initiated by someone relatively new to boating.* This doesn't mean the topic isn't worth discussing (again) as the newbie deserves the same kind of information we got when we were newbies and asking the same questions.* But to people who have owned "trawlers" for three or ten years or more, there aren't many general questions left to ask.
I participate in the Grand Banks owners forum, and the activity on a daily basis is considerably higher than on this forum if you*don't count*the "Off the Deep End" traffic.* It's probably higher than on the PMM site, too. *But this is because people who are maintaining, restoring, or simply using their GBs run into issues that are best answered by fellow GB owners.* I'm sure the same can be said of the owner forums for all the other popular makes of boats.
The thing that prompts discussion in the boating-related forums on the Trawler Forum site are almost always questions about something fairly basic--- anchoring, engines, navigation, electronics,*etc.*I don't know if the number of trawler newbies is dropping due to the slowdown of the economy or what, but it seems there just aren't that many people wanting to know about general topics anymore. It seems to me that even the traffic on the*tightly moderated T&T site has diminished considerably*over the last year or so.* Hence the popularity of the "Deep End" forum on this site--- it's a place where people can talk about things that haven't been discussed before.* I suspect that if PMM were to add a "post off-topic comments here" forum, they would see the same thing happen.
The T & T Forum is completely ruled by PC. If you are not a believer in "global warming", do not hug trees, and care more about the price of fuel than the environment, that is not the place to go. I have been moderated for so many years I no longer care to contribute.
I've never gotten the impression that T&T emphasizes political correctness or promotes "liberal" points of view. Or "conservative" points of view, either. They seem to me to simply make a fairly aggressive attempt to keep the list focused on boating issues only. I've seen "tree hugger" threads shut off and I've seen "gun rights" threads shut off.
I can see where this kind of forceful moderation might be viewed as PC by some, particularly people who wish to bring up or discuss issues like the environment or individual rights and whatnot.
But that's not what the "owners" of T&T want to do with their forum. If they did, I suspect T&T would rapidly become a giant version of "Off the Deep End," with the occasional boating question thrown in for good measure. I used to look at a number of newgroups, and I participated in a few. I haven't for years, partly because I haven't bothered to load newsgroup access software onto my latest computer, but mostly because most of the "rec" newsgroups I looked at were filled with endless arguments over topics that rapidly descended into personal attacks---- not unlike what happens to some topics on "Deep End." So I don't know if groups like "rec.boating" still exist. But if they do, I suspect they are the same as they were years ago, with an "anything goes" content. I can understand why the T&T folks do not want their forum to go the same way.
I have been "warned" several times over the years by T&T moderators, mostly for continuing to participate in threads that were drifting way off topic, but given what they want the list to be, I've never had a problem with it.