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Old 03-16-2022, 04:24 PM   #1
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When Does it Become Cost Prohibited?

In SW Washington road diesel is now $5.47 a gallon. In Astoria harbor it is $6.23.

We put about 3500 miles on ASD las summer. Our fuel bill was around 6K. That was at an average of less than $3 a gallon

Its still going up. When is it just to expensive to go cruise?
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Old 03-16-2022, 04:38 PM   #2
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That be the magic question, Tom. When is there too much pain?
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Yikes! It would be painful to me if I spent $6K in one year for fuel.
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Old 03-16-2022, 05:46 PM   #4
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Plan is to go to Glacier Bay, Alaska late Spring, then back to Puget Sound, then to Sea of Cortez in Fall . . . Roughly 7000 miles. 7.5 kts, 2.4 gph. you do the math

Loosing another boating season for whatever reason . . . Covid . . . .price of fuel . . . THAT expense is too much, so we'll be doing it pretty much whatever fuel costs. Does that answer the question?
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Old 03-16-2022, 05:52 PM   #5
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Our marina is usually double the price of street gas stations. So that means our marina will likely charge around $8 with the current price of gas, give or take. Our section of the river is about 26 miles long (well, somewhat less with rapid siltation but let's say). So if we do the full run, 26 miles out, 26 miles back, .75 gallons per mile if I stay on the sweet spot of 1200 rpms, <9 knots, on a quiet day, no significant current, $8 per gallon -- (26+ 26)(.75)($8) = $312 for one spin out on the river. Yikes.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:23 PM   #6
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So this is the big question for ASD. Balancing the knife edge. I tend to agree that it is what it is and a year lost to COVID.
We are on a fixed income, yet we keep a "fuel" account of about 12k every year. So if prices keep climbing, we'll it leaves a big pit in my stomach. Triple the cost of last year with COVID.

Troubled.... Besides I will miss my opportunity to buy SOIN2LA a beer or two.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:46 PM   #7
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So this is the big question for ASD. Balancing the knife edge. I tend to agree that it is what it is and a year lost to COVID.
We are on a fixed income, yet we keep a "fuel" account of about 12k every year. So if prices keep climbing, we'll it leaves a big pit in my stomach. Triple the cost of last year with COVID.

Troubled.... Besides I will miss my opportunity to buy SOIN2LA a beer or two.

Maybe only go one way? Leave the boat in Ak after your visit this summer is done? Fly back up next spring and do the other half of the trip? That way you will stay close to your "budget".
Or just throw out the budget.
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At the risk of repeating myself from another thread:

While you can choose to sit out a year, your internal clock still keeps ticking. If you sit out this years and it turns out to be the last year of your boating life, how will you feel? How many more boating years do you think you have? When lying on your death bed, will you view sitting out this summer as a good choice or exceptionally short sighted?

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While you can choose to sit out a year, your internal clock still keeps ticking. If you sit out this years and it turns out to be the last year of your boating life, how will you feel? How many more boating years do you think you have? When lying on your death bed, will you view sitting out this summer as a good choice or exceptionally short sighted?



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Remember, it's just numbers on a piece of paper. Life is real. This is not a dress rehearsal.
This is a true statement. Am I freaking out?
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Old 03-16-2022, 08:07 PM   #12
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This is a true statement. Am I freaking out?
Yes. Boat now, die later. Beats the opposite outcome.

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Old 03-16-2022, 08:08 PM   #13
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It will hit unevenly. My Willard 36, even with an ancient Perkins 4.236, gets around 4.5-5.0 nm per gal and wouldn't do 8-kts if I had a pair of Pratt & Whitney's strapped to her decks. So there is a practical limit. Honestly, there isn't a fuel price that would keep me from using her. But for boats that slurp even 10 gph, sales will be hindered when people think "Gee, that's $50-$60 per hour!!! Or $300-$400 per day!!!"

TF has a core of die-hard enthusiasts that will figure out a way to use their boats. But for folks at the margin, I'm sure the impact is already felt. I'd love to hear from brokers about what they're seeing in the market right now. I'd bet their phones have slowed a bit....

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This is a true statement. Am I freaking out?
Yes you're freaking out. AND it's totally understandable. However if cruising is important to you then I suggest you take the advice of those who say go. I do like the idea of leaving her in Ak for the winter as long as she's pretty well up on maintenance so startup the next season will be relatively easy. I think TF member Tator is one who does that and may be able to offer some advice.
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Look at the bright side. Maybe transient slip fees come down, or at least the price hikes slow down.
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It will hit unevenly. My Willard 36, even with an ancient Perkins 4.236, gets around 4.5-5.0 nm per gal and wouldn't do 8-kts if I had a pair of Pratt & Whitney's strapped to her decks. So there is a practical limit. Honestly, there isn't a fuel price that would keep me from using her. But for boats that slurp even 10 gph, sales will be hindered when people think "Gee, that's $50-$60 per hour!!! Or $300-$400 per day!!!"

TF has a core of die-hard enthusiasts that will figure out a way to use their boats. But for folks at the margin, I'm sure the impact is already felt. I'd love to hear from brokers about what they're seeing in the market right now. I'd bet their phones have slowed a bit....

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Our marina is usually double the price of street gas stations. So that means our marina will likely charge around $8 with the current price of gas, give or take. Our section of the river is about 26 miles long (well, somewhat less with rapid siltation but let's say). So if we do the full run, 26 miles out, 26 miles back, .75 gallons per mile if I stay on the sweet spot of 1200 rpms, <9 knots, on a quiet day, no significant current, $8 per gallon -- (26+ 26)(.75)($8) = $312 for one spin out on the river. Yikes.
Is one sensing a big boom in sailboats again, like back in the oil shock days of the 70s..? That affected those of us who normally pay more than in the US for fuel anyway, but...
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Old 03-16-2022, 08:31 PM   #18
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Is one sensing a big boom in sailboats again, like back in the oil shock days of the 70s..? That affected those of us who normally pay more than in the US for fuel anyway, but...
Yep, sailboaters are laughing at this problem.
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Sure sailboaters, laugh at this problem, as you slip on a steep, wet companionway stair tread, crash down to the sole, go careening across the salon until you hit your head on the mast coming up through the middle of the salon, then crack your rib cage against the gimbaled stove because you slid across the teak-and-holly floor because the boat was heeled over at 20 degrees. You'd wave for help out the window, but since you only have tiny little porthole windows, and they're over your head and above your sightline, nobody will notice to send you medical help. But no worries, if you're unconscious, at least you won't be kept awake all night by slapping halyards, tink tink tink tink tink tink...
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You guys do realize that oil has dropped almost $40.00 a barrel in the last 4 days?, closed today at $96.00.
I think production is up tempering cost.
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