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Old 12-22-2017, 08:11 AM   #61
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“Yacht” is a term that comes with baggage, for sure. We belong to Privateer Yacht Club in Chattanooga. It’s a wonderful group of friendly, down-to-earth people and avid racing sailors and there’s not a “yacht” anywhere on the premises. (I’ve wondered if the name was chosen tongue-in-cheek because the most prevalent boats back in the day we’re Snipes.) Still, the club’s name sounds pretentious and we hate for people to think we’re putting on airs, so we usually tell folks we belong to a “sailing club.” Reverse snobbery or co-dependency on our part, I guess.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:28 AM   #62
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Trawler = Designed for cruise speed < (LWL^.5) * 1.33 with styling at least vaguely imitative of a commercial craft.

Motoryacht = Designed for cruise speed > (LWL^.5) * 1.33 with styling clearly indicating being designed for pleasure use.

Simple, really.
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Roger Long wrote;
“Motoryacht = Designed for cruise speed > (LWL^.5) * 1.33 with styling clearly indicating being designed for pleasure use.”

Seems simple enough but by that measure a Seadory would be a “Motoryacht”.
What does “^” mean?
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:14 AM   #64
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What does “^” mean?
It means I can't make a square root sign on my computer. Raising a number to the .5 power gives the same result so this is just the formula for the generally recognized upper limit of "Hull Speed" or pure displacement operation.

Yes, I would consider a Seadory to be a motor yacht. A yacht is any non-commercial vessel operated for pleasure. If I had a Seadory, I would call it a "motorboat" though so as not to appear silly. BTW, I prefix our craft with M/V. After a professional lifetime spent in the commercial boat world, I just can't do "yacht".
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:12 PM   #65
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OK Roger,
The Seadory is a pleasure boat and that makes it a yacht (but only in the strictest terms) and they are powered. So OK I’ll admit that in the darkest corner of the ..
But in the real world a yacht is about half way between the Seadory and a 65’ professionally crewed “big motoryacht”. Just my opinion of course. And there are a few + other good concepts already mentioned.
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:21 PM   #66
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about the only universal one I can live with is what Northern Spy offered up.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:21 PM   #67
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Me too. Life was easier when I looked at porn and not looking for our next boat.
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Old 12-22-2017, 01:47 PM   #68
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Ed Monk Sr. that designed my boat called it a diesel cruiser, so that’s what I call it. I had a 23’ San Juan years ago, probably that was a jacht, but Clark called it a sailboat, so that’s what I called it.
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For many of my young years, while growing up from pre kindergarten to about 6th grade, my family of five [3 boys - I'm the middle] spent much time [occasionally as much as 4 weeks at a time] aboard a fast little 23' 1948 Chris Craft Express. More fun was had than can be imagined.


From there the boats got somewhat bigger. Ending up with sport fisher 38' raised deck, fly bridge, diesel powered cruiser we fished from and often used for pleasure trips up and down the New England coast.

Reason I mention this: - Far as I'm concerned... For years that 1948 23' Chris was the most fun and finest yacht in existence... when I was very young!

Nomenclature for a boat is all relative... considering the size of a boat and what you or anyone else may call it or think of it during given times of life!



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Its A Yacht if the captain wears a Greek Fisherman hat.
I have one, but don't wear it because it is (literally as opposed to figuratively) too large to fit my head.
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“Yacht” is a term that comes with baggage, for sure. We belong to Privateer Yacht Club in Chattanooga. It’s a wonderful group of friendly, down-to-earth people and avid racing sailors and there’s not a “yacht” anywhere on the premises. (I’ve wondered if the name was chosen tongue-in-cheek because the most prevalent boats back in the day we’re Snipes.) Still, the club’s name sounds pretentious and we hate for people to think we’re putting on airs, so we usually tell folks we belong to a “sailing club.” Reverse snobbery or co-dependency on our part, I guess.
In my world, boat-owning yacht-club members by definition all have yachts
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When I first got into the investment business nearly 40 years ago, I was told to seek out clients that had yachts not boats. I didn't quite understand the distinction and was told that one defines a yacht as a vessel that doesn't move when you step aboard.
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Wifey B: I decide I am the self-appointed Goddess of deciding what is and isn't a trawler. I will render such decisions when I wish and based on my own mood at the time. I might consider offerings made at my altar or how I'm talked to. There will be no fee for the decision although voluntary contributions (I know it sounds like bribes but they aren't as I may still rule against your wishes if I choose) may help tilt the scales of justice in your favor. Also, there may be two apparently identical boats that I give differing answers on as they may well have different personalities.

And what led me to declaring myself in charge? Seeing that no other system works at all and people keep circumnavigating the world of this topic so felt I might as well seek some personal gain out of the total futility of worrying about something I'd think no one would give a flying f... about.
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It means I can't make a square root sign on my computer. Raising a number to the .5 power gives the same result so this is just the formula for the generally recognized upper limit of "Hull Speed" or pure displacement operation.
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This question is often asked so, in the sprit of putting it to rest, I consulted an expert in the form of my 7 year old granddaughter.
" A Yacht has a twirly thing on top, If there is no twirly thing it is a boat"
I hope that this puts the age old question to rest...
That may be my favorite response of all time to this debate -- although now I have to go down to the marina and take the dome off the Furuno so my boat becomes a yacht with a visible twirly thing.
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Is it about time to solve what constitutes a "boat" or a "ship" lingo.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:38 PM   #78
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Is it about time to solve what constitutes a "boat" or a "ship" lingo.
What I heard from someone in the Navy, "You can put a boat on a ship, but you can't put a ship on a boat."
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You have a true trawler when you are followed by a flight of seagulls

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Old 12-22-2017, 06:19 PM   #80
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Coincidentally I just got back from the county treasurer's office to renew the state registration on the boat/yacht/motoryacht and everything else. The state registration card for the Mainship says "Motoryacht" because that's what Mainship itself called that model, so that's what they put on the card. The clerk at the window said something like:


"Okay, here are your stickers for the Bayliner...and the Bayliner trailer...and here's the Zodiac...and here are the stickers for the thirty-seven inch yacht. Thank you!"


Thirty seven inches?? That's definitely not a yacht at 37 inches, whether it has a twirly thing on top or not.
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