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Old 12-21-2017, 12:53 AM   #21
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I've always thought of a yacht as a power boat with a paid captain and crew, something to be seen on and a marker of your place in society. By contrast, the trawler is crewed by the owner and family with the purpose of escaping from society.

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Over on the ybw.com Motor Boar forum, there's a debate on what makes a trawler. Can you help

What is a trawler yacht?
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As far as yachts go I'd say that Flemming meets the criteria. That 55 is one beautiful world cruiser!

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Hey Pappa,

As far as yachts go I'd say that Flemming meets the criteria. That 55 is one beautiful world cruiser!

Yes, and your ? Selene looks pretty damn good from way down where I'm sitting and all...

PS. In the more logical Southern antipodes, yachts are what you guys call sail boats. Much quicker and easier to say, and there is then no argument about when does a trwler become a yacht. It doesn't.
When does a power vessel become a trawler? - when you think it looks a wee bit like one.
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A Yacht is a pleasure boat and can be any of many designs.

"Trawling" is a type of commercial net fishing. A Trawler is the type of boat that fishes by trawling or a person that fishes by trawling. A pleasure boat that is made to resemble the look of this traditional type of fish boat is a Trawler.
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Hmmm... and next What is the right anchor

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I've always thought of a yacht as a power boat with a paid captain and crew, something to be seen on and a marker of your place in society. By contrast, the trawler is crewed by the owner and family with the purpose of escaping from society.

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Many persons who have no boat may class many boats on TF as yachts.


People with most boats on TF could care less what "class" anyone thinks their boat is.


Anyone who has a boat that is not used as a commercial vessel, depending on their ego and the boat's size, may feel they have a "Pleasure Boast"!

We simply have a good ol' pleasure boat... And, You?????

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The word 'yacht' is an anglization of the Dutch word 'Jacht' and was a single mast sailboat with fore and aft sails. In the 17th century they started to become popular with noblemen in England and were used for leisure and sport rather than work. Thus started the reputation of yachts being for the rich and were definitely sailing craft.
Vessels primarily powered by other than sail are not proper yachts. Except in the USA where the word has become synonymous with any rich mans maritime play toy. And then this definition spread to the med to blur all lines recognition.
Leisure trawlers were in fact originally conversions of working boats in the 50s and 60s but designers started constructing them from scratch to emulate the look of the working boats for an emerging market of sailors who wanted a 'real' boat that wasn't a 'yacht'. This process accelerated with the acceptance of fiberglass as a suitable building material that was inexpensive and could be mass produced. Nowadays it's mostly used to differentiate a live aboard capable motor boat of a certain size with decent sea keeping qualities from other types such as express cruisers, sport fishermen and weekenders amongst others.
Like pornography, its become one of these 'I know it when I see it' kind of things. Strangely, even small tugboat replicas are thought of as in the trawler category.
We live in strange times where things are not really what they appear to be and the use of specific words to mean specific things has long fallen to the curb of the linguistic highway.
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hi,

The idea of ​​the second corner is why many manufacturers in the EU have begun to call their own products at best with planig hull boats "Trawler" "eco Trawler" and others.

Why is it sexy to be a "Trawler" to day?

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If the boat is fitted with a set of lights for Owner Absent , or Crew at Meals , its a yacht.

"Trawler" is an advertising term like" HI FI", meaningless .

95% of recreational "trawlers" are lakes and bays inshore boats and would be dangerous if taken off the shelf.
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Part of what makes this discussion interesting to me is the difference between American English and British English. Having spent a great deal of time among British English speaking Europeans I got use to the almost universal use of "yacht" as a substitute for the American term "pleasure boat".

Thus when Americans discuss what "yacht" means we are affected by the British usage. A similar word distinction is the British usage of "holiday" as a substitute (equivalent) of the American term "vacation".

My take is that the American word "yacht" is used by those who do not own a 36ft+ boat as a reference to the more expensive pleasure boats including my 42ft Krogen. Whereas those who own 36ft + pleasure boats use the term yacht in referring to 60+ ft pleasure boats in the million dollar category.

Languages are interesting.
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Part of what makes this discussion interesting to me is the difference between American English and British English. Having spent a great deal of time among British English speaking Europeans I got use to the almost universal use of "yacht" as a substitute for the American term "pleasure boat".

Thus when Americans discuss what "yacht" means we are affected by the British usage. A similar word distinction is the British usage of "holiday" as a substitute (equivalent) of the American term "vacation".

My take is that the American word "yacht" is used by those who do not own a 36ft+ boat as a reference to the more expensive pleasure boats including my 42ft Krogen. Whereas those who own 36ft + pleasure boats use the term yacht in referring to 60+ ft pleasure boats in the million dollar category.

Languages are interesting.
Egos are interesting too... at times they go way over the top; regarding choice of nomenclature used to "prop-up" portrayal of inconsequential value for any given owned item's view in the eyes of others.
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Egos are interesting too... at times they go way over the top; regarding choice of nomenclature used to "prop-up" portrayal of inconsequential value for any given owned item's view in the eyes of others.
If that means what I think it does then I agree with you. I think we as citizens and residents of until relatively recently colonised lands are still finding our way whereas the Brits have had the benefit of a long and wide fetch to fill their sails full of wind. I hope I'm not banned from the ybw forum
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A yacht consists of having an air conditioner and rarely leaves the dock unless its on.
A trawler?
trawl·er
[ˈtrôlər]



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trawlers (plural noun)
  1. a fishing boat used for trawling.

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Now that picture above is interesting in itself. Not all boats engaged in fishing are 'trawlers'. A trawler drags a net through the water to collect fish. As such it needs constant slow speed but fairly high power and has to be out long enough to fill a fish hold so it needs accommodations and sea keeping capabilities.

The hull in the pic above was developed for setting and retrieving pots (so lobsterman or crabber) so needs a higher speed and maneuverability than a trawler. Its purpose is to get out to the grounds quickly set or retrieve pots and then get back in with the catch. It is inherently a coastal and day boat.

So not all working fishing boats are 'trawlers'.

Another fishing word I see misused frequently is 'trolling' which, again has nothing to do with 'trawling'. Trolling is dragging a bait fish through the water at a slow speed in the hope of attracting larger fish to attack the bait and become hooked. It is hook and line fishing versus net dragging.
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Now that picture above is interesting in itself. Not all boats engaged in fishing are 'trawlers'. A trawler drags a net through the water to collect fish. As such it needs constant slow speed but fairly high power and has to be out long enough to fill a fish hold so it needs accommodations and sea keeping capabilities.

The hull in the pic above was developed for setting and retrieving pots (so lobsterman or crabber) so needs a higher speed and maneuverability than a trawler. Its purpose is to get out to the grounds quickly set or retrieve pots and then get back in with the catch. It is inherently a coastal and day boat.

So not all working fishing boats are 'trawlers'.

Another fishing word I see misused frequently is 'trolling' which, again has nothing to do with 'trawling'. Trolling is dragging a bait fish through the water at a slow speed in the hope of attracting larger fish to attack the bait and become hooked. It is hook and line fishing versus net dragging.

This is real trawler



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This question is often asked so, in the sprit of putting it to rest, I consulted an expert in the form of my 7 year old granddaughter.
" A Yacht has a twirly thing on top, If there is no twirly thing it is a boat"
I hope that this puts the age old question to rest.


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I should have been clearer. That was taken now in the off season from shrimping in particular. Yes the above boat does double duty, depending on the time of year. This is the normal set up during shrimping season. and shows some of the larger trawlers ready to work. Then they can convert to the pot puller for sea bass and even some convert to long liners. And most of these are wood.
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This one is set up for nets on a spool.

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Actually the immage of a trawler skipper (not captain) is quite different than a yachtsman. Go back into the archives and see that most all members here are very standoffish about being labeled a yachtsman or their boat a yacht. All pleasure boats are of course but typical and most trawlermen or skippers (like on TF) think of themselves as somewhere inbetween a tugboat/fishboat skipper and a dude w a crew or a yachtsman that skippers his boat and never gets his hands dirty. And has very expensive yachting shoes. A tug or fishboat man is of course very dirty often and many of them have special shoes too, but more like boots and usually well worn.

That’s why so many guys here and elsewhere long to be included in the trawler catergory. I remember one prominent member (still here) that spent weeks or perhaps even months trying to convince the rest of us that his boat was a trawler. Wasn’t even close but he obviously wanted very much to be considered a trawlerman w a trawler. A yachtsman only has a tad bit of masculinity in it’s image whereas a tug captain or a fishboat skipper is overflowing w masculinity. Like riding loud Harleys and driving big black pickups. It’s all related.

And that’s why guys w OB boats want to be seen as trawler men and as having a trawler. Having the trawler is 90% of the way to being seen as a trrawlerman. I think SeaDory was the one that started it. Calling their flat bottomed OB powered little boats “trailerable trawlers”. Others of course saw that the road to sales was to flatter their would be customers to draw them into the sales records in the office. Now after a decade or so of pseudo advertising someone is offering on the market a very light and narrow 35’ cruiser as a trawler. Like hey all the other guys are doing it. And they are and they are.

The first pleasureboat trawlers were (in the 50’s) largely gas powered heavy cruisers. I offer the 40’ or so Monk sr designed boats w a flathead gas engine or two as prime examples. They were all slow. Too much weight, a hull not really suited to plane and too little power. They were called heavy cruisers and indeed they were.

Then somewhere in the 60’s (about) someone let slip the word trawler probably because these heavy cruisers were in some small way a bit like the northsea fishing trawlers. Perhaps he was talking bout a heavy cruiser that had a high and aft wheelhouse and likely w fwd slanting windows. And then all the toy trawlers came rushing forth in the 70’s. But then you’d have been laughed of the dock calling an OB a trawler then. But now I am not laughing. I’m looking down my nose.
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