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Old 01-24-2020, 08:05 PM   #21
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We keep our boats at a location that doesn't really fit the bill of a true marina, but serves our purposes well.

1. Covered, basically indoors, so protects from weather.
2. Lots of walking space and storage space.
3. Get fuel by delivery and save considerable on fuel.
4. Hurricane protection.
5. Good electric and water.
6. Private

Now we also use many marinas on a transient basis. For them it is,

1. Quality and condition of docks.
2. Depth of approach and at docks.
3. Availability of trash disposal and of pump out.
4. Quality electricity and water.
5. Proximity to those things we want to do or see. Easy access by water and land.
6. Cleanliness.
7. Type of customer attracted. We like small or large boats, liveaboard or not. We don't like derelict vessels or drunks roaming the docks. Looking for places a lady or gentleman will be comfortable.

Now, I didn't list restrooms or showers or laundry facilities as important as they are not directly important to us. However, indirectly their condition and cleanliness is in that they'll often reflect the same things as the overall marina. What are the odds the place with out of order restrooms will also have issues with their pump out? The place with filthy showers will often have poor security of the entire premises.

First class doesn't mean fancy, doesn't mean expensive, doesn't mean yachts, but it means maintained to a proper level in all ways, including selection of tenants. It's a place you'd be comfortable bringing children.
I join you on some point here, especially cleanlyness, quality of the docks, and the people roaming on the dock. In my previous marina, some bums living nearby were roaming on the dock and it was a bit annoying. Ok let me be clear, I don't care about people walking on dock and adept of boat porn, I do this myself, but when these guys are drunk, barely able to walk or talk and annoy people around well... I do not blame it on the so called bums as for me people responsible were the ones leaving the gate open because they were not able to remember a 4 digits code ( especially after the sunset).
About dock quality I would add that when water/power tower on the dock seems flimsy cause the marina owner do not want to spend 10c on a screw to fix it properly well the conclusion is easy on everything else.
Up here for trash disposal and pump out it is pretty much standard everywhere same for electricity and water.

I would add also a marina who know how to care about boats (based on my recent experience).

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Old 01-24-2020, 08:33 PM   #22
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I agree that a great staff is important, but the dockmaster here is a bozo, or so my wife says... we keep our boat at our home.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:38 PM   #23
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I agree that a great staff is important, but the dockmaster here is a bozo, or so my wife says... we keep our boat at our home.
How's the restaurant?
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:42 PM   #24
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Reasons I've been disappointed with marinas or bypassed entirely.

Too many liveaboards. A handful of quiet sneak-aboards is cool.

Rickety Docks with lousy cleats and inadequate dock boxes

Inadequate wifi or cell phone service especially if wifi is supposed to be included in slip fee.

Surge or wake traffic.

Single finger Docks.

Lousy parking (unless there is a good reason - middle of a city for example).

Cheap ownership. Manifested by dumb fees, poor maintenance, low quality bathrooms, etc.

Nothing nearby. Doesn't take much - sandwich place, place to grab ice, etc. .
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What about short (~15 feet) fingers with piles for your bow line?
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How's the restaurant?
It is outstanding. Really great food and excellent service.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:26 PM   #27
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It is outstanding. Really great food and excellent service.
I hope you tip well.

Me? I just give full access to my wallet!
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Old 01-24-2020, 11:14 PM   #28
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All the good points have been mentioned.
What I like best about my marina is that it does not need locked gates to access the docks
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Old 01-26-2020, 10:29 AM   #29
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Great way to look at it "mvweebles" . a different way to look at basically the same thing.

Also, I intended this post to be about your more or less permanent home marina. Maybe I should start a thread about what we look for in a transient slip. Im sure there is a huge difference. I am much less picky about a transient slip, If i don't like it I just fire up and leave, I'll be leaving anyway.

On my original post I neglected to add: 11) Decent WIFI. I guess I am so used to lousy wifi at marinas I am just expecting it nowadays.

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Old 01-26-2020, 10:41 AM   #30
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i guess i'm not as picky as most . . my budget is most likely less also.
mine for my home slip are
1.safe
2. clean
3.affordable
4. full finger pier
5.able to live aboard in case i ever get to.
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Old 01-26-2020, 07:41 PM   #31
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Being on the upper Mississippi there is no shortage of marinas. I live aboard 8 to 9 months of the year so my requirements may be a bit different, also itís a 4 hour drive from home.
#1 - Well protected from wakes or wind induced waves.
#2 - Well built covered floating docks
Provides shade from the sun,weather and able to withstand snow loads.
#3 - A shower house with laundry facilities.
#4 - Well stocked marine parts & accessories, able to haul out boats and a capable marine mechanic & service tech.
#5 - shopping nearby, grocery, drug, hardware and medical.
#6 - Good clean city water, diesel fuel and trash pickup
#7 - friends on the docks to enjoy social times with.
#8 - Security as far as people off the street wondering around.
#9 - A great staff and management who keep up the docks and grounds.
#10 - Nearby destinations for day or weekend trips and sandbars.
These are not in a particular order depending on the day or time of year any of them could be #1.
Two Rivers Marina was bought by new owners last November, this will be my 11 year here. The new owners are long time boaters and slip holders, new blood running it is hopefully a good thing for everyone. Sadly the mechanic that has always been here has retired, I would hope the replacement is as qualified as he was, the skills of the mechanic is one thing that would cause me to move. Because of arthritis and bad back and knees I canít do the work I used to do.
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Old 01-26-2020, 10:01 PM   #32
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Worst marina: Many years ago in Gloucester Harbor with numerous fish processing plants going 24/7, hot humid night with no wind. Absolutely suffocating. Amenities ceased to matter.
Next time try the Cape Ann Marina just inside the mouth of the Annisquam...its in a no wake zone, nice pool, and you get the free entertainment of the boat ramp across the river!! Its better than HBO!!
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Old 01-27-2020, 11:57 AM   #33
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A lot of good stuff and I agree with many of them. But nothing can match when you own your own dock, thus your own moorage.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:04 PM   #34
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With today's news, I must add a couple of points.

Safety from fire. No, it's not totally preventable, but modern dock construction. If covered, with proper openings or vents. Materials other than wood. Ideally, fire pumps and hoses on site. Perhaps this is something we don't look at carefully enough. Also rules enforced regarding working on engines at docks, regarding propane, regarding smoking, and GFCI electrical compliance.
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Also rules enforced regarding working on engines at docks, regarding propane, regarding smoking, and GFCI electrical compliance.
I'm curious. What kind of rules about working on engines are you thinking of? In my mind, my home slip is exactly where I'd plan to do any non-emergency engine work of a DIY scale.
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I'm curious. What kind of rules about working on engines are you thinking of? In my mind, my home slip is exactly where I'd plan to do any non-emergency engine work of a DIY scale.
I know some marinas do not allow DIY. The mechanic is required to check in at the marina office with copies of insurance, certification etc......

In my eyes, I would not moor my boat at such a marina.
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I know some marinas do not allow DIY. The mechanic is required to check in at the marina office with copies of insurance, certification etc......

In my eyes, I would not moor my boat at such a marina.
My marina requires that for any outside mechanics, etc. (as many do), but DIY is fine. In my book, if DIY isn't allowed, I'm not keeping my boat there.
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I'm curious. What kind of rules about working on engines are you thinking of? In my mind, my home slip is exactly where I'd plan to do any non-emergency engine work of a DIY scale.
Different marinas have different rules, from requiring outside contractors to show evidence of insurance and bonding to only allowing specified contractors and rules on how DIY is to be done. I recall seeing one marina that had a lot of houseboats and required them to be moved out of the covered slips to an uncovered dock. Many of the large houseboat marinas have extra rules because houseboats have been involved in so many fires.

Covered slips may require different rules than uncovered. The work that generally is worrisome is that requiring many attempts at starting. Use of ether may be prohibited as it's common in some areas to see people spraying to get engines to start. Others only allow work during certain hours.

I'm not suggesting what rules a marina should have, just as a potential tenant to be aware of rules and what typically takes place. The other things I mentioned were more my focus as they may have contributed and as the marina in question involved many old houseboats, lots of propane, likely many space heaters, possibly smoking, covered and unvented roofs, wooden docks, older wiring, all things that made it a high risk marina.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:35 PM   #39
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For me, it's location. Our boat is at a marina that is only five blocks from our home, and that is the thing I like best about it.

I can walk out my door, check on my boat, and be back home in ten or fifteen minutes.
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Looking at the snow outside that won't thaw for another couple months, and given that we're about as far from salt water as a person can be on the North American continent, to have our boat floating at any marina right now sounds like paradise. Our marina may not be perfect but we still love it, but here are my thoughts in no particular order:

1. Continue to allow swimming in the marina; I know not all marinas do. Huge for the kids.
2. Not too picky or fierce about rule enforcement.
3. Peace and quiet, although Iíll put up with some noise and chaos past ďquiet hoursĒ in light of #2 above.
4. Decent showers and bathrooms (check).
5. Pump out that works well and consistently (unfortunately, all too seldom at our marina).
6. A good service department, although oddly at our marina most of my work orders seem to disappear.
7. Not getting gouged at the marina fuel pumps (wishful thinking, we get gouged, badly).
8. Decent parking relatively close so I donít have to drag tools or supplies or food or weekend junk 500 yards back and forth from car to boat (check).
9. Dock neighbors who take some care and donít live like yokels Ė donít leave electrical lines sagging in the water, rake out the junk floating in your slip once in a while, etc.
10. A marina store that actually stocks some common boat supplies, like a hose clamp (unfortunately also wishful thinking).
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