What do you think? - Page 2

menzies · 07-01-2018, 12:08 PM

No wind whatsoever overnight so we are just going to pull off onto the side on the Neuse. Mouth of the Pungo tomorrow and Coinjock Tuesday. Portsmouth for the Fourth.

cardude01 · 07-01-2018, 10:03 PM

Dude, you know better than to cruise on a weekend in Florida!

Wait, just realized your weren’t in Florida, so I guess it’s crazy-town boating everywhere on the weekend!

markpierce · 07-01-2018, 10:30 PM

I'd shut the throttle and shake my head, and mutter.

BruceK · 07-01-2018, 11:07 PM

Maybe the SUP thought, judging your speed compared to the fast boat,yours was minimal or you had stopped or you were giving way, and it was safe to cross, but gee...glad it worked out.

Steve91T · 07-01-2018, 11:25 PM

I think you were making a point. Shit like this happens every day, boat, car, plane, you name it. Whatever. She messed up. Maybe she thought you were going slower, maybe she thought she could paddle faster, maybe that was her first time on a pladdle board. Who knows, who cares.

What’s important is, was she hot?

dhays · 07-02-2018, 02:31 AM

Weekends in my home harbor can be a bit nuts on a nice day. Most boaters are careful and considerate. The Harbor entrance is very narrow and the channel has a bit of a dog leg. At low tide there is just enough room for one boat to go each way if they are careful. When the current is running strong, it can really move you around a lot.

Unfortunately, the harbor entrance has a very nice spit that kayakers and SUP boarders love to paddle out to and pull up on the beach. Often they cross the narrow channel right as boats are trying to enter or leave. I keep reminding myself that they are simply ignorant. Sounding a horn is of little help because they see you, just don’t know the best decision to make.

I fault the rental companies who send the newbs out on the water with no instruction on how not to get themselves killed by a boat.

menzies · 07-02-2018, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by markpierce

I'd shut the throttle and shake my head, and mutter.

My wife listened to the end of the video and Facebooked it to our three grown children with "do you guys remember that sigh, usually followed with "can I see you in the office"!

Airstream345 · 07-02-2018, 11:32 AM

We’re moored in Lake Union surrounded by electric boat rentals, SUP rentals, kayak rentals plus the usual traffic of sailboats, trawlers, go fast boats, tugs and seaplanes.

I haven’t been boating here very long but have learned to just mentally prepare for anything. Aside from dodging tourists my biggest concern is if I have to go full stop in a channel on a busy day the boat behind me is also paying attention.

dhays · 07-02-2018, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Airstream345

I haven’t been boating here very long but have learned to just mentally prepare for anything. Aside from dodging tourists my biggest concern is if I have to go full stop in a channel on a busy day the boat behind me is also paying attention.

Yeah, my real concern is entering Gig Harbor on a busy day with the current running and having to suddenly stop to avoid running over a gaggle of SUPs. The problem with the current is that you can’t just stop. The current can push you on the beach and without some boat speed, there is very little maneuvering ability.

Rebel112r · 07-03-2018, 10:01 AM

How does the right of way, work in that situation?

psneeld · 07-03-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rebel112r

How does the right of way, work in that situation?

It doesnt.

While paddler should realize they are crossing a narrow channel in front a vessel requiring the channel..... the vessel in the channel should realize the possibility that this situation might arise and be prepared.

So while close calls are inevitable, collisions shouldn't be.

dhays · 07-03-2018, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebel112r

How does the right of way, work in that situation?

I would defer to psneed in this, but it seems to me that while generally a powered vessel is the give way vessel to a man powered vessel, in this case the powered vessel is constrained by draft so would be the stand-on vessel.

The problem of course is that the paddlers have no clue about COLREGs, nor understand that the powered vessel is not only constrained by draft but also has limited maneuverability due to current. That means that it is up to us to try and avoid the paddlers.

Portage_Bay · 07-03-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dhays

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The problem of course is that the paddlers have no clue about COLREGs, nor understand that the powered vessel is not only constrained by draft but also has limited maneuverability due to current. That means that it is up to us to try and avoid the paddlers.

Exactly. Now, having had time to think about it. Here's what the OP may have done.

First I'll assume the OP is making about 7 kts as the SUP starts across from stbd to port. I'll note that there is very little wind. I'll also note that the wake of the speedy that just passed him doesn't show any cross current. Assuming the OP's boat is twins, 400 - 600 total HP with bow thruster. If I'm wrong about any of this then what I propose "could" have been done doesn't apply.

As the SUP starts across drop to idle. When it becomes clear the SUP will continue and it will be a close call back her hard till she's dead in the water. Then for the few seconds it takes the SUP to cross use opposed engines and bow thruster to 'walk' her as need be to keep her out of the mud. Maybe even a little walk to stbd to give the SUP a bit more room. Based on the posted video I don't see a need to motor ahead into a close quarters situation.

My $0.02, in hind sight, without knowing the OP's boat or the on site conditions.....

tiltrider1 · 07-03-2018, 07:42 PM

Let’s say you are a 1920’s boat. Let’s say you have no transmission and you have to switch your valves and start your engine backwards to reverse. Lets say the channel is only as wide as your boat. Let’s say the SUP made an unexpected 90 degree course change, you react by shutting off the power your crew switch the valves and you start the engine backwards but it’s too late and your momentum carries you into contact with the SUP. Now you have a case for claiming rights as a boat ristricted in its ability to maneuver

menzies · 07-03-2018, 08:24 PM

Jaysus guys!

The question wasn't "what should I have done."

It was "was she stupid or drunk."

Steve · 07-03-2018, 08:50 PM

She was clueless, probably drives her car the same way, enjoy the view.

Lou_tribal · 07-03-2018, 09:11 PM

Isn't it like on the street, pedestrian first?

L

BruceK · 07-03-2018, 09:38 PM

Why does the OP need to be a constrained vessel? Surely the problem is the SUP altering course to cross in front of the OP, who is navigating his way through a narrow area at reasonable speed in a normal manner, is the primary cause of the close encounter. True, he could have come to a stop to see what the SUP might do, but that`s being wise after the event using 20/20 hindsight. And boats stopped have impaired steerage.

tiltrider1 · 07-04-2018, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceK

Why does the OP need to be a constrained vessel? Surely the problem is the SUP altering course to cross in front of the OP, who is navigating his way through a narrow area at reasonable speed in a normal manner, is the primary cause of the close encounter. True, he could have come to a stop to see what the SUP might do, but that`s being wise after the event using 20/20 hindsight. And boats stopped have impaired steerage.

SUP has starboard right away. It is up to the other boat to prove that it was entitled to an exception to the starboard right of way rule. Don’t over think this, if there were a collision the coast guard would have handed out blame to every one.

psneeld · 07-04-2018, 06:00 AM

One could discuss several rules here that come into play, if one assumes the situation was a narrow channel, rule 9 would supercede the starboard situation of the SUP....and there are others.

Thats why courts decide the fault in situations like this.

Just reading and applying the rules in a vacuum is not reality. Understanding how the rules all fit together and how they should be applied takes experience.

As pointed out before, a large number of recreational operators really have either no real clue of the rules or are like the even more dangerous newbie sailboater that thinks they always have the "right of way".

So the experienced mariner, in order to be free of or nearly free of fault in a collision with the inexperienced, has to take extraordinary care to avoid them at any length.

Which I think is BS, but what the heck?