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02-01-2023, 04:41 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 4,934
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Weatherproof wireless camera for remote watching where we are going.
Please note. Only thinking of this while in clear areas and on passage .
On our vessel given height of helm it does get an exaggerated roll, think sailing a yacht from the first set of spreaders.
But what has you grabbing a handhold and bracing up high when down on deck level is hardly noticeable, so , while on passage, I have been thinking a 180 degree camera looking out and displaying on 1/2 of the 42 inch downstairs TV with OpenCPN running on other 1/2.
Not full time use, just as a break from helm, grab a feed, 15 minutes then back up.
Have found several $100ish dollar security cameras that tick the box as far as image quality goes but all "seem" to be a subscriber service or want to upload to cloud or be connected to google or some other silly shite that I don't want.
I just want one that connects to onboard wifi > screen.
Any $100ish dollar suggestions?
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02-01-2023, 05:08 PM
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Guru
City: Solomons Island Md
Vessel Name: Fryedaze
Vessel Model: MC 42 (Overseas Co) Monk 42
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,619
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I have two of these for home security. They work great. They are stand alone, no cloud no subscription. Just tie into wifi.
https://www.amazon.com/Security-DEKC...s%2C144&sr=8-2
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02-01-2023, 08:39 PM
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,222
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This is what I use as a rearview camera on the back of the RV.
Quality seems above average and weatherproof with a handy bracket.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This is the one we use outside the home for wildlife and 'security'.
Very compact, waterproof, top quality and includes a mount and base module.
These have the advantage of an app that can accommodate multiple cameras.
https://www.amazon.com/Blink-Outdoor...dDbGljaz10cnVl
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02-01-2023, 08:52 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 3,707
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Here is the one I will be installing for rearview
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06Y3TSWLK?...roduct_details
It is meant for a retro fit on license plate and is wifi
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You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
Sea Sanctuary-new to me 1992 Bayliner 4588
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02-01-2023, 10:15 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 4,934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
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Certainly a contender, thanks
Now trying to find a vid showing quality of image
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02-01-2023, 10:30 PM
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Member
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: MV Pikorua
Vessel Model: Granocean W-55 Powercat
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 21
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This is what I've ordered for our front facing camera: https://www.amazon.com/EmpireTech-Du...09H2ZRYX8?th=1
Probably overkill for just situational use but in my case it will also be used as part of the security system. Haven't used it yet so unfortunately I can't give real world feedback.
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I just want one that connects to onboard wifi > screen
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Check out Blue Iris. It is "air gapped" as they say and allows offline activation.
Since you need to power the camera in any case, I opted to go for POE and get the benefits of having a wired connection.
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02-02-2023, 12:33 PM
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Guru
City: Solomons Island Md
Vessel Name: Fryedaze
Vessel Model: MC 42 (Overseas Co) Monk 42
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,619
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
Certainly a contender, thanks
Now trying to find a vid showing quality of image
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Here is a still shot on a overcast day. My camera is 2MP. They have newer ones at 5MP
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02-02-2023, 10:53 PM
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Senior Member
City: Canberra
Vessel Name: Blu Emu
Vessel Model: Ligure 50' aluminium power catamaran
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 279
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I was thinking even mounting a GoPro. Decent quality and the modern ones stream to a tablet/phone wirelessly.
You probably won't get PTZ at that price, but questionable need anyway.
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02-02-2023, 11:05 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: Pendana
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 62
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 91
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Does it have to be wifi? That really really limits your options. If you can get an ethernet cable there you can run almost any POE security camera and theres a ton of choices.
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02-03-2023, 01:20 AM
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Senior Member
City: La Conner, WA
Vessel Name: Carousel
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4788 (1998)
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 232
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What you are looking for is an IP camera with a built in web server so that an internet connection is not required. I'm using a backup camera that only requires a 12VDC power source. I'm connecting to it with a tablet that works great other then the view is somewhat distorted.
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02-07-2023, 11:53 AM
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Senior Member
City: Whidbey Island WA
Vessel Name: Salty
Vessel Model: American Tug 34
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 366
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveK
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Stevek, I have been using a similar camera with solar to power the camera. It has worked flawlessly over the past 2 summers — however, because it’s intended as a “back up” camera it only stays “live” for 90 seconds…quite annoying when you need it to stay on.
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02-07-2023, 01:49 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 3,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nwboater
Stevek, I have been using a similar camera with solar to power the camera. It has worked flawlessly over the past 2 summers — however, because it’s intended as a “back up” camera it only stays “live” for 90 seconds…quite annoying when you need it to stay on.
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I have yet to install, what turns it off and then how do you get it on again?
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You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
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02-07-2023, 05:02 PM
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Senior Member
City: Toronto
Vessel Name: Bermuda Belle
Vessel Model: Marine Trader 36 Sedan
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 274
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If you set up a stand-alone WIFI router in your boat (dont need internet, and many of them are supplied as 12volt systems that come with a wall-transformer), then you can hook up a couple of ring-cam's. One front and one back. or however many you want. These are wifi cameras so you dont need to hard wire them.
To power them, you can buy either hard wired (I think its either 12V or 5V adapter for the hard-wired) or battery powered. I think they also make a solar adapter for the battery powered version? [Edit- yes they do!]https://ring.com/ca/en/products/stick-up-security-camera-battery
Then you can wifi connect your phone, tablet or laptop(or all at the same time) to the stand alone router and watch remotely wherever you are on the boat.
If you get the PTZ attachement, you can pan-tilt the camera's from your phone.
I have several of these camera's on my home system and responding to this post is making me realise I should do this to my boat as well.
Some extra notes for my recommendation: - Ring-cams are made as indoor only and indoor/outdoor. Make sure you get the indoor/outdoor version if you want to install it outdoors
- The camera needs an external mounting bracket not shown in the photo below. You can make your own or buy them separately. The bracket simplifies the outdoor installation. The ones I have, I have also purchased the Ring pan-tilt add-on, and it comes with a mounting bracket.
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02-07-2023, 05:21 PM
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,222
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveK
I have yet to install, what turns it off and then how do you get it on again?
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I don't see any mention of the 90 sec behavior for the cam you linked so maybe yours is ok.
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02-07-2023, 06:02 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: Pendana
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 62
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 91
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Why on earth wouldn't people just run an ethernet cable so they can have a nicer POE camera?
I use the ring cameras at a remote house, but the live view is marginal at best. The refresh rates are poor and theres generally a lot of lag. I even have one of the solar panels for the ring and it works, but its not something I'd want to rely on in my experience.
With one ethernet cord you could have a camera that is actually capable of providing a legitimate realtime feed. Instead of potentially annoying 90 second time outs, i have camera feeds running 24/7 recording 2 weeks of video. I've got 7 on board and i've got another 8 running at my house. The technology to do this is rock solid and mature.
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02-07-2023, 06:14 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 4,934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkcorwin
Why on earth wouldn't people just run an ethernet cable so they can have a nicer POE camera?
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Maybe I don't want to drill another hole in my boat.
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02-07-2023, 06:24 PM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 6,425
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkcorwin
Why on earth wouldn't people just run an ethernet cable so they can have a nicer POE camera?
I use the ring cameras at a remote house, but the live view is marginal at best. The refresh rates are poor and theres generally a lot of lag. I even have one of the solar panels for the ring and it works, but its not something I'd want to rely on in my experience.
With one ethernet cord you could have a camera that is actually capable of providing a legitimate realtime feed. Instead of potentially annoying 90 second time outs, i have camera feeds running 24/7 recording 2 weeks of video. I've got 7 on board and i've got another 8 running at my house. The technology to do this is rock solid and mature.
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The only reason I didn't do that on the boat is power consumption. The base station for my Blink cameras draws all of a couple watts at most and the camera batteries last a long time. A wired setup with an NVR was looking like I'd have a hard time getting anything under the 40 - 50 watt range with 4 cameras and that's significantly more power draw than I was willing to accept.
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02-07-2023, 06:24 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: Pendana
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 62
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 91
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
Maybe I don't want to drill another hole in my boat.
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I guess it depends on how you view the importance of the camera. For me they were kind of mission critical so i didn't mind the holes much. I've also had to cut a lot of holes so i don't really flinch much at doing it.
And hey like your signature says everything on a boat is broken so you'll have to drill some more holes sometime! Just send one more for a camera.
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02-07-2023, 06:26 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: Pendana
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 62
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 91
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rslifkin
The only reason I didn't do that on the boat is power consumption. The base station for my Blink cameras draws all of a couple watts at most and the camera batteries last a long time. A wired setup with an NVR was looking like I'd have a hard time getting anything under the 40 - 50 watt range with 4 cameras and that's significantly more power draw than I was willing to accept.
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Thats a good reason, but in the case of the OP when we're talking about putting the feed up on the 42" flat screen i figure power consumption probably isn't the biggest concern.
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02-08-2023, 07:09 PM
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Senior Member
City: Toronto
Vessel Name: Bermuda Belle
Vessel Model: Marine Trader 36 Sedan
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 274
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkcorwin
Why on earth wouldn't people just run an ethernet cable so they can have a nicer POE camera?
I use the ring cameras at a remote house, but the live view is marginal at best. The refresh rates are poor and theres generally a lot of lag. I even have one of the solar panels for the ring and it works, but its not something I'd want to rely on in my experience.
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I am sorry my friend, but I disagree. You are correct that there is lag in your live view of your remote home, but that is not the case here. In the example you cited, your remote home has to connect to your remote home WIFI, then run through the internet to your present location, then your location's WIFI router, and then from there to your remote viewing device (tablet, laptop, phone). OK, I agree there may be some lag.
In this case we are talking about a WIFI router that your camera and viewing device are connected on the same router. I don't know about you but I have 3 cameras and a ring doorbell and I can have a live conversation with anyone on either the camera's or doorbell. Anyone that rings the doorbell, I only talk to them via the doorbell camera. It's live and there is no latency or lag in the picture or conversation.
PS- the speed of your router also has an effect on your latency/lag
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