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04-06-2020, 07:13 PM | #2 |
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Oooopppss!
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04-06-2020, 07:26 PM | #3 |
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That harbor pilot has some 'splaining to do.
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04-06-2020, 07:48 PM | #4 |
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If it's like the US, the pilot's union will protect him and the captain will take the heat.
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04-06-2020, 08:52 PM | #5 |
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There are some Unlimited Masters on here so I will defer to them, but that sure looks like a major mechanical with the main engine somehow stuck in forward. It’s dragging the aft tug around like a toy in a bath tub.
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04-06-2020, 10:23 PM | #6 |
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A quick read of reports says the ship was proceeding to Berth 7 when this happened, does not say where berth 7 is in relation to the small ship it didn't hit or the one further down that it did hit.
A few comments / observations - 1) Ship is 1200' LOA and is very light draft, probably empty. 2) Around 0:25 mark you can see propeller starting to go astern, prior to that it was going ahead, rudder is still to Stbd. 3) Around 0:50 you can see the combined forces of propeller torque and on dock wind - look a stack exhaust - as things go crunch. Hard to say why the ship was that close to the dock at that speed IF it was going to berth in the empty berth just past the small ship. You can see 2 tugs in the video both pulling as hard as possible while trying stay as perpendicular as possible to the ship. Even if each tugs were around 100T. bollard pull it's clear that wasn't near enough for the situation. |
04-07-2020, 12:32 AM | #7 |
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It's interesting, the first time I watched it it appeared the tugs were not made up, clearly that was not correct.
I wonder if they'd caught it early enough, it was a pretty hot approach, if he'd gotten the fwd tug around the bow to push it stbd, he might have had the capital tug aft, push the stern port, getting it through before impact with the crane. Now of course that puts the fwd tug in a very precarious position, on the port bow headed rapidly towards the stern of another container ship. As it was it was, the aft tug at 90 or 110 degrees was not allowing the stern to swing through, locking them into the exact result they were trying to avoid. Pretty decent on setting wind based on the stack, though not a lot of white caps. It will make great read as the investigation proceeds and then training simulation fodder for quite a while. I'll bet the bridge was chaotic. Thankfully no one was seriously hurt. |
04-07-2020, 10:00 AM | #8 |
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Ship looked very light, prop partly out of the water. Prop won't get much bite like that, especially in astern direction. And once in astern, rudder basically useless.
Not ballasted enough?? Harbor too shallow to be ballasted deeper? Can't imagine that being it a full-on cargo port.. |
04-07-2020, 11:05 AM | #9 |
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Rather than assuming everyone involved is an idiot and incompetent, and that any fool could have done things properly, perhaps we should assume something went horribly wrong and that everyone was doing all they possibly could to avoid/minimize the disaster.
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04-07-2020, 11:21 AM | #10 | |
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04-07-2020, 11:59 AM | #11 |
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At some point in time (prior to the video footage) in the vessels transit some event or events occurred (possibly human and/or mechanical)
which placed the vessel in a situation that was non-recoverable. A ship of that size near a berth is typically moving very slowly if not almost stopped. Even though the tugs are "tractor" tugs, when a vessel still has speed through the water some of the tugs power is being used to "stay up" with the ship, which further reduces it pulling power, at a time when it's most needed. |
04-07-2020, 12:07 PM | #12 | |
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As my old LHA Co used to say, "I've never gone so fast as being 2 knots over where I want to be around the pier." He was a F18 guy.... |
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04-07-2020, 02:51 PM | #13 |
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Besides the pilot losing it, the breaking tug wasn't powerful enough. In the US, the tugs in that position have to be able to stop the vessel within the vessels length and they use kevlar lines. We should have been able to see the tug noticeably slow the ship.
The prop probably hit the dock and was damaged, too. Good news for S. Korean shipyards and crane builders. |
04-07-2020, 03:05 PM | #14 |
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It was a grand display of Newton's three laws of motion.
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04-07-2020, 05:49 PM | #15 |
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Yea, looked like the prop could have hit the pier pilings. Looked close. Possibly tangled with crane debris too.
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04-08-2020, 02:34 PM | #16 |
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