View Poll Results: How much vacation time off do you get per year?
Vacation? What's that? Seriously, I struggle to get any so boating is only weekends. 4 2.96%
1 or 2 weeks a year. Standard US vacation time. 8 5.93%
3 or 4 weeks a year. Better than 1 or 2 but not great. 21 15.56%
5 or 6 weeks a year. Still working but now getting decent time off. 26 19.26%
7 to 10 weeks a year. I've reached the point of substantial time to play. 6 4.44%
11 to 17 weeks a year. Oh boy. Now this is getting good. I'll share my secret...maybe. 2 1.48%
18 to 34 weeks a year. Half work, half play. Those with 4 on and 4 off would fit here too. 3 2.22%
35 to 48 weeks a year. I'm mostly retired. Work less than 4 months a year. 7 5.19%
I'm retired but still do some work. Just very flexible and control my schedule. 12 8.89%
I'm fully retired. No work. Outgrew that. Play, play, play. 46 34.07%
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Old 12-26-2018, 01:47 PM   #141
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Back to the vacation hours....

So I work for a municipal government as a first responder. We work 24 hour shifts and a 56 hour work week of straight time. There are no holidays off per se.
Could you elaborate a bit on the 24 hour shifts totaling 56 hours?
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Could you elaborate a bit on the 24 hour shifts totaling 56 hours?

Sure. We work on a 28 day cycle (actually a 24 but they crib it a bit to make 28) instead of a standard 7 day work week. We work one out of every three days, 24 hour shifts. So if you were to average it out itís 8 hours per day average, so 56 hours in the normal 7 day week. Some weeks we work 96 hours, some less, just depends on how the shifts fall. Our payroll department has a ďsalary adjustmentĒ line item to keep the paychecks even, adding and subtracting (deferring really) hours from one paycheck to the next to make it all work out.

Weíre on a different schedule, but lots of departments run a ď48/96Ē style commuter schedule where they work a repeating pattern of two days on, four days off. Thatís probably the easiest example. In that one, taking two shifts off (48 hours) gets you ten days off, and 4 shifts off gets you 16 days off. So burning 96 hours of leave is basically two weeks plus, which is similar to a 40 hour work week vacation.

The cool part is that we can trade shifts amongst ourselves. So every month for almost the last year Iíve worked a minimum 4 shifts (96 extra hours) for other people and lined them up for this coming year as days they will work for me. I havenít run the actual numbers, but with the exception of August when we cruised Catalina, Iíve been averaging way over 100 hours per week worked.

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Obviously you know what you are talking about but if we didn't pay our California hourly employees for every hour they work in a week as well as overtime for work over 8 hours in a day and 40 hours in a week we would be descended upon by Dept. of Labor types. Defer hours from one week to the next? Not going to happen for long. Maybe it is the type of municipal/on call shift work you are involved with but I have never heard of anything like what you describe anywhere much less California.
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In the UK they have ďmanaged careĒ. This means that if the government decides you are too old, you donít get the care. Are you sure this is what you want?

A single fraud case in Medicare a while back cost the government as much as all the private insurance premiums paid for that year. So sure, they can manage it, right?

Each procedure you get has a code, either an ICD or DRG9. How much does it cost? Exactly what the health insurance company will pay. This, in theory, would drive costs to the minimum. But it doesnít work, because both the health insurance companies and the providers are in cahoots, plus they bribe, er, contribute to the politicians to write the rules in their favor. Then, along came the ACA, which was the biggest bribe paid to the insurance companies by the politicians probably in the history of mankind. Donít believe it? After the ACA insurance profits skyrocketed.

Youíre being sold a bill of goods.... Thatís how the system works...
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Obviously you know what you are talking about but if we didn't pay our California hourly employees for every hour they work in a week as well as overtime for work over 8 hours in a day and 40 hours in a week we would be descended upon by Dept. of Labor types. Defer hours from one week to the next? Not going to happen for long. Maybe it is the type of municipal/on call shift work you are involved with but I have never heard of anything like what you describe anywhere much less California.


Nearly all Firefighters/EMS work this way. 24 hours on duty then 48 off or 48 hours on duty then 96 off.
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Yes, I am aware of the work schedules, it is the manner of pay that throws me off.
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Yes, I am aware of the work schedules, it is the manner of pay that throws me off.
There are specific exceptions that allow for such pay. They're technically not considered to be "working" all 24 hours as they are allowed to eat, sleep, relax. They just have to be on sight and ready and perform some work duties during the day. It's an acceptable industry norm.

There are many wage and hour law exceptions for specific groups. One that is used most widely is "seasonal."

California exempts all government employees.

Here's a list of the California exemptions.

https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtimeexemptions.htm
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There are specific exceptions that allow for such pay. They're technically not considered to be "working" all 24 hours as they are allowed to eat, sleep, relax. They just have to be on sight and ready and perform some work duties during the day. It's an acceptable industry norm.



There are many wage and hour law exceptions for specific groups. One that is used most widely is "seasonal."



California exempts all government employees.



Here's a list of the California exemptions.



https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_overtimeexemptions.htm


The FLSA law that governs things like OT pay has a special exemption for public safety, in that overtime pay doesnít start until after 53 hours per week (for fire) have been worked. Itís sometimes referred to as the 7(k) exemption after the section in the FLSA law. Itís actually listed as 212 hours worked in a 28 day period for fire, and 171 hours for police.
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The FLSA law that governs things like OT pay has a special exemption for public safety, in that overtime pay doesnít start until after 53 hours per week (for fire) have been worked. Itís sometimes referred to as the 7(k) exemption after the section in the FLSA law. Itís actually listed as 212 hours worked in a 28 day period for fire, and 171 hours for police.
Yes, I was addressing the California exemptions and you've hit on the Federal ones.
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In the UK they have ďmanaged careĒ. This means that if the government decides you are too old, you donít get the care. Are you sure this is what you want?

A single fraud case in Medicare a while back cost the government as much as all the private insurance premiums paid for that year. So sure, they can manage it, right?

Each procedure you get has a code, either an ICD or DRG9. How much does it cost? Exactly what the health insurance company will pay. This, in theory, would drive costs to the minimum. But it doesnít work, because both the health insurance companies and the providers are in cahoots, plus they bribe, er, contribute to the politicians to write the rules in their favor. Then, along came the ACA, which was the biggest bribe paid to the insurance companies by the politicians probably in the history of mankind. Donít believe it? After the ACA insurance profits skyrocketed.

Youíre being sold a bill of goods.... Thatís how the system works...
Where do you get your info about the U.K. System, Fox News.
The U.K. Government do not make those kind of decisions about patient care the hospitals and doctors do. If there is a need to share resources and I have an ingrowing toe nail and you need a transplant should I go first ? And if I have to wait a while it's better than having no possibility of health care like a lot of people here in the US. Please just get on your computer and get the truth about how health care works elsewhere.
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“Where do you get your info about the U.K. System, Fox News.”

Please keep the politics and your anger out of these forums. They have a way of ruining a perfectly good Thursday morning.
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Whoa.... First of all Iím not angry Iím just a rather blunt person.

We have managed care in the US, too. The committees in the hospital are called ďU&RĒ which stands for utilization and reviewĒ. Not all plans in the US are managed care, which is my point, we can choose.

I thought this was the part of the forum where we could express our opinions about anything, sorry.
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When I started here in Qatar I had 7 weeks plus 2-1/2 weeks of public holidays. However since the oil crash and embargo, things have softened a lot. Now down to 4 weeks.

Sounds like a lot, but as a westerner living in the Middle East, itís barely enough time to recharge.
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I thought this was the part of the forum where we could express our opinions about anything, sorry.
Wifey B: Actually there is no part of the forum for politics and misinformation. However, this thread is not in Harbor Chat and I don't want it detoured to that area. It's about Vacation and leisure time and health care came in as it is related as another important fringe benefit.

There is a lot of ignorance and misinformation about "other countries", whether that's those in the US who have no grasp of how the Canadian, British, or Australian systems work and those in the other countries who really don't understand the US systems. Even as easy as communications has become today, we often learn from pundits or rumors and not by talking to people who actually live there. Now, that is part of what this thread is about, vacation and benefits in different countries.

My hubby years ago went to a finance conference in France with participants from South Africa, Austria, Germany, France, Spain, the UK, Italy and the US. At dinner they got into discussions about work schedules and weekends and nights and hours and vacations. The others were all shocked at the US. They had no idea was was normal and considered acceptable here. It was especially important to a couple from the UK as their company had been acquired by a US company and huge conflicts over vacations had already surfaced. As it turned out, those attending from the UK all left within a year as they decided firmly they were not going to work under those circumstances or for a US company based on that company, which was the extreme.

Now, back to my original poll and survey. The majority on this website are either retired or get a lot of vacation with a few US members still working and having very little time off. We talk about why Millennial's don't buy or about dock queens, but apparently some forget when they were less fortunate and others don't grasp those in different professions. While some people have no interest in boating, the major limitations to boating are time and money. This is even more important in trawlers and a reason few young people own true trawlers. When you only have a weekend here and there, you can't get very far at 6 knots. That's why so many express cruisers. While over half here are either retired or semi-retired or very much in control of their time off by schedules like 28 on and 28 off, 10% get 2 weeks or less vacation as is typical for most younger Americans, and 35% get 3 to 6 weeks a year, which is better, but very different from those who cruise all the time. In our discussions here, we need to keep those in mind.

The disparity is a good thing but one we sometimes overlook. True trawler owners is a very very small subset of boaters. Cruisers is a slightly larger group. Unfortunately both are far outnumbered by weekend boaters. More would love the lifestyles those of us who are retired may have, but they can't live them. Now, those who are older would probably love to have the health of those who are younger and destroying their health slowly through working themselves to death. Tangled web.

I do so appreciate those who voted in my poll. It does give a better perspective into those who are here. Keep it coming with the good information. Be careful not to fall into misinformation.

Thank you all. Now Wifey B continues on the road from Myrtle Beach to Fort Lauderdale and finding herself craving some lunch and I swear I-95 coming into Jacksonville is sure lacking in restaurants so I must do some searching for places off the highway or give into Aurora and settle for McDonald's.
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Vacation Time...How much do you have?

Thank you. My statements are in no way intended to be political. If you believe I am spreading misinformation I urge you to do your own research. I have strong feelings about an industry I have some involvement in, thatís all.

I am sorry if I offended anyone, it was not my intention.

Itís difficult for me to determine when it is appropriate to participate in a hijacking....
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