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Old 08-02-2021, 11:39 AM   #1
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UPDATE - Lemon-aid R 27 Ranger Tug

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Old 08-02-2021, 11:53 AM   #2
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I am sorry that you have had to go through all of this. On the surface, this info does not look good for the manufacturer. I have seen other owners who have been very 'unhappy" with Cutwater (same manufacturer I think but different reasons) as well.

I am not saying that means anything conclusive, or that these are "bad boats", only that it gives "food for thought" and further investigation would be warranted for anyone considering one of these boats.
I hope you get to some level of satisfaction with all of this.
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Old 08-02-2021, 12:01 PM   #3
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I have a 2018 R27 Ranger Tug with 2 large cracks . there is no sign of the hull hitting or scrapping anything . In my personal opinion it was done when blocked

So you bought a used boat, that has a crack in it, and you're putting the manufacturer on blast?

Based on your previous responses, it sounds like you rushed into a deal without doing your homework and now you're throwing anything you can grab at the wall to see what sticks.
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Old 08-02-2021, 12:12 PM   #4
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Toocoys,
That could be, but maybe not??
If this damage was only caused by the boat being "properly" (assumption there) blocked, or if not built to high enough structural strength, then I understand his concerns.
Admittedly there is alot more to this and info we don't have. Maybe after the testing he is having done there will be more definitive info on structural strength?
I can understand his unhappiness. In my case, I had a boat from new, well and properly maintained and used, and the small diesel engine suffered a complete failure just after the warranty (time period not hours) expired. I hired a metallugical engineer who stated with 100% certainty that the cause of failure was due to one of the connecting rod nuts not being properly torqued (from the factory, as it had never seen any need for service). The engine manufacturer "doubted" this finding?????
It does happen. Not all manufacturers do a good job 100% of the time or even stand behind their products.
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Old 08-02-2021, 12:17 PM   #5
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I'm sorry to see your predicament. It is a beautiful boat, looks like new and I can imagine you paid quite a bit for it, I would be upset as well.

That said, I would suggest having it surveyed and then repaired by a reputable boat yard. There are several very high caliber yards in your area, document the process and get the boat usable and then chase after the compensation that you feel you deserve once you are enjoying the boat and the final cost of repairs are known.
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Old 08-02-2021, 08:14 PM   #6
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So you bought a used boat, that has a crack in it, and you're putting the manufacturer on blast?

Based on your previous responses, it sounds like you rushed into a deal without doing your homework and now you're throwing anything you can grab at the wall to see what sticks.

Yes it was a rush deal ( person wanted my trade , What could be wrong with a 25 hour boat ...... ) Don't accuse until you read the FULL story on the website . Dealer was witnessed mopping up the V birth the morning it was shipped to me . Said it was an '' air conditioning leak '' see sworn letter by freight company . Boat was never blocked by me . NOTHING is thrown to see if it STICKS .
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Old 08-02-2021, 08:20 PM   #7
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I had it surveyed directly after the crack was seen . I have talked to every shop to repair , the good ones say to fix from inside and out . They can't fit me in or maybe don't want to be involved in a high profile case . It is possible other spots could crack also .
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Old 08-02-2021, 08:36 PM   #8
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After reading your website and watching your videos it looks to me like you may have been taken for a ride by an unscrupulous used boat salesman and you are trying to blame the manufacturer as you think your constant negativity reflects badly upon them.

I just don't think that reflects well on your integrity imo.

I might feel differently if there were more than one complaint about hull failures, but I haven't seen one, and I read anything and everything I can find, going back to 2009.

Wouldn't your time might be better spent taking legal action against the person that sold you the boat?
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I viewed the youtube video, but frankly, the shots of the plug, and the borescope pics were so blurry it was difficult to see what you were trying to show. The 1/4 (minus) hull thickness would definitely be a concern to me, but then again, the whole point of a towable trawler is light weight, which can only be obtained by omitting weight somewhere. I am interested in seeing the factual laboratory tests of the samples, without interpretation, unless by a trained forensic specialist. Sorry that you are going through the problem you are dealing with, but a survey prior to purchase might have found the problems prior to purchase. Also, I'm not convinced the problems (possible incorrect blocking) you are mapping out are attributable to the manufacturer as much as to the first owner and/or selling broker.
Best of luck moving forward. I hope you get resolution on your issues, and can soon get to using your boat!
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Old 08-02-2021, 08:58 PM   #10
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I am involved with the dealership situation also . Are you familiar with the Youtube channel ''Parley Revival '' ? Two guys , find bulkhead problems in a Lagoon Cat , they put the word out to other owners , 66 broken bulkheads and counting . Lagoon has now agreed to Pay for repairs . ---- About other cracks - Why was I ''deactivated '' ( kicked off ) the TUGNUTS forum for asking about JFRANO ranger that had a crack that didn't hit anything ? I asked about cause and repair procedure . The post was removed and i was kicked off by the moderator , on order from head of sales of RANGER. Sounds like I hit a nerve ???? Search JFRANO posts on Tugnuts tonight before they remove his original post about his 4 inch crack , and asking what to do .
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Old 08-02-2021, 09:17 PM   #12
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It seems to be gone on Tugnuts ( big surprise ) but I saved it ! It is on my website under '' sources '' This is why I was Kicked off , Asking about another crack ......
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here it is !
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I can't blame a boatyard for steering clear of you, the hull does appear thin me but I don't know the layup schedule. The boat may have been dropped onto a block or trailer's cross beam for all we know but you are blasting the manufacturer for something that happened after it was sold to the first owner, perhaps there is a latent deficiency but I don't you are going to get the resolution you want in the manner you are pursuing.

If you have not done so already, try Smith's marina in Crownsville, Bert Jabin in Annapolis or Osprey Marine in Deale. There are other competent yards in the area but these are among the best IMO. A one sided repair maybe more difficult but totally possible. With hull repaired and a coat of barrier coat applied the boat can be better than new.

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The factory will not share the laminate schedule or the ''outside '' repair that they say their engineers ''say '' will work . Most experts say an outside repair could be dangerous do to the thin hull .
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Old 08-03-2021, 08:28 AM   #16
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I stand corrected ... I found the JFRANO original post ( not my deleted question post ) on DuckDuckgo , any combo of words and it came up , then I using the exact title words on Tugnuts ''crack in hull '' the JFRANO hull crack post came up . Once an owner PM's or calls the factory , they ask ( tell ? ) the owner to deal with them by phone or email , keeping the Tugnuts people out of the loop . Other Tugnuts people have asked JFRANO by PM about it , but no response . Maybe factory has them sign a disclosure on repair ? I don't know that , but wonder if that is how it works ?
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According to info from your prior posts it appears that either the PO or the hauler was more than likely the source of the problem. You were an informed buyer and chose to forego surveys and inspections. You now own the problem. I suspect the factory would have been more than willing to share their layup schedule with you until you publicly slammed them thus closing the door to all communication.

It seems as though you are more interested in blaming the manufacturer than fixing the problem. Move on and enjoy the repaired boat.
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I ---- About other cracks - Why was I ''deactivated '' ( kicked off ) the TUGNUTS forum for asking about JFRANO ranger that had a crack that didn't hit anything ? I asked about cause and repair procedure . The post was removed and i was kicked off by the moderator , on order from head of sales of RANGER. Sounds like I hit a nerve ????
I'm fairly sure that 'tugnuts.com" is owned by Ranger Tugs. I don't know of any vendor hosted forum that will allow you to criticize the vendor.
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Previously, many folks were suggesting a Ranger27 for a good trailerable boat.
It that a different thread or have folks changed their minds?
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"I am not saying that means anything conclusive, or that these are "bad boats", only that it gives "food for thought" and further investigation would be warranted for anyone considering one of these boats."
As stated earlier in this thread, I feel the above statement holds true. These boats are built to be trailerable, and therefore weight is important. It therefore stands to reason that the hull will be made as thin (and therefore light) as possible. Any errors in layup may lead to problems???
However, to be fair, you don't see or hear of these kinds of issues often! Ranger Tugs seem to have a large and loyal following, but they are not for everyone (me among the latter group).
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