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01-03-2017, 01:15 PM
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#101
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,988
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Scott
It does get funny sometimes. I imagine in person it may be more so!
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01-03-2017, 01:17 PM
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#102
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Can't wait for this response....
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Wifey B: Staring hard at psneeld.
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01-03-2017, 01:20 PM
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#103
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,988
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Wifey B
Old is relative! In college the motto was never trust anyone over 30. That was old then. Not so much today!
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01-03-2017, 01:24 PM
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#104
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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You are the most predictable on this site...
Maybe not in real life but here.....
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01-03-2017, 02:17 PM
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#105
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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01-03-2017, 03:22 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 1,274
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I think this thread has been kind of fun...
Even if it has been done before!
Bruce
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01-03-2017, 03:36 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
From what I could find out of Chapman's online but not able to copy was...
1. Trawlers have displacement hulls.
2. Lack enough hp to get on plane.
3. Fast trawlers is an oxymoron and incorrect.
But it says nothing about weight from what I could pull up.
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#2 would imply there was too much weight for planing.
And the soft implication that planing was not of the trawler world.
And I've always contended there was no such thing as fast trawlers.
W/o looking it up I do recall Chapman's 1,2 and 3 that you refer to.
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North Western Washington State USA
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01-03-2017, 03:37 PM
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#108
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Wooow - Chapman as comparison to Bible and Constitution - Woooow!
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Art,
Chapman's book IS the boating Bible.
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North Western Washington State USA
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01-03-2017, 03:41 PM
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#109
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Wifey B: Oh, then ours are heavy cruisers, so all trawlers. I never knew. Thanks so much for explaining.
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Everything is relative of course and the boat in your avatar is probably considerably lighter than trawlers of the same size.
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North Western Washington State USA
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01-03-2017, 04:16 PM
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#110
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,988
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Eric
Why would a trawler weigh more than a "fast cruiser" when the cruiser needs larger engines and carries far more fuel and might have a larger superstructure and more amenities for a vessel similar sized? To me it would seem that the construction techniques will account more for weight than a particular type of vessel of the same size. I'm not trying to be difficult just trying to learn your thought process.
Thanks.
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01-03-2017, 04:21 PM
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Guru
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,288
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I think we have come to the point where debating what a trawler is or is not has considerable similarities to debating religious or political matters. Individuals most likely enter any such debate with substantial opinion based baggage usually difficult to dislodge. The fact that there is so much rancor over the word trawler supposedly a simple descriptive term suggests there is something very fuzzy about the word just like political and religious concepts. There will be no resolution here regarding the trawler it is obviously whatever you wish it to be. What it definitely is not is a simple descriptive term.
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01-03-2017, 04:25 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,566
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Greetings,
Re: post #110... "... just trying to learn your thought process."
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01-03-2017, 04:27 PM
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#113
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,149
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Most people's understanding of vessel types here isn't too bad.
Their input to labeling trawlers is right up there with defendingood what anchor is best.
But there are gross misinterpretations of many vessel attributes that have been rebuffed by several vessel designers that frequent here and those that just have been in the business long enough to know better.
A good example is using a simple term like heavy, but in relation to what like Bigfish asks. Heavy for a 25 footer or 100 footer? Just as nebulous as any definition.
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01-03-2017, 04:31 PM
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#114
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,333
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Coming soon to a forum near you!
"Trawler Forum and Philosophy Today". All in one easily accessed Forum!
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BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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01-03-2017, 05:32 PM
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#115
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Coming soon to a forum near you!
"Trawler Forum and Philosophy Today". All in one easily accessed Forum!
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Hmmmm
Always assumed philosophical debate was the in the OTDE wheelhouse.
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Craig
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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01-03-2017, 05:38 PM
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#116
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TF Site Team/Forum Founder
City: League City, Tx
Vessel Name: Floatsome & Jetsome
Vessel Model: Meridian 411
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 7,332
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Whilst dreaming of powercats I came across this...NOW WHAT???
It is fast...light...comfortable...offshore capable....and efficient. And it says it right there on the side of the boat!!!!
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Prairie 29...Perkins 4236...Sold
Mainship Pilot 30...Yanmar 4LHA-STP...Sold
Carver 356...T-Cummins 330B...Sold
Meridian 411...T-Cummins 450C
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01-03-2017, 05:40 PM
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#117
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,566
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Greetings,
Mr. CP. Methinks you are stretching the definition a LOT. Take particular note of definition #1 where the words: rational, truths and knowledge are mentioned... Philosophy | Define Philosophy at Dictionary.com
Post #116. Same GIF...Just sayin'
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01-03-2017, 05:59 PM
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#118
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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"Trawler" as defined by Yachtworld...
Always considered myself more of a stand up philosopher
Of course my wife sees me more through Bea's eyes
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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01-03-2017, 07:00 PM
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#119
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker
Whilst dreaming of powercats I came across this...NOW WHAT???
It is fast...light...comfortable...offshore capable....and efficient. And it says it right there on the side of the boat!!!!
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I despise those narrow and slippery-looking decks and those unsubstantial, weak handrails. And I much prefer gunwales over toerails.
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01-03-2017, 07:12 PM
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#120
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker
Whilst dreaming of powercats I came across this...NOW WHAT???
It is fast...light...comfortable...offshore capable....and efficient. And it says it right there on the side of the boat!!!!
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I know that boat. It belongs to Mary and Joe Trawler. They decided to call the boat their last name and had an artist paint it on the sides. They thought of having their name also painted on transom... but it cost too much!
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