Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-01-2023, 08:06 PM   #1
nmt
Veteran Member
 
City: Jersey City
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 27
Tile Countertop Question

Hey all, Iíve removed the original laminate galley countertops on my Defever 41 and thinking about replacing them with two large format 2ft by 4ft tiles (cut to shape). Planning to use this brand because they are only 7mm thick, https://www.flooranddecor.com/maximo-thin-tile?prefn2=size&prefv2=24%20x%2048. I donít want to go super thick. Any tile experts have some tips on how to install over the original plywood? I was thinking I could do a coat of epoxy over the plywood to waterproof it and then flexibond thinset. Or do I need a layer of Ditra to ensure there is no cracking? There will only be one seam and that will be hidden by the sink as the tiles are wide enough that it be just under the edge of it, see attached photo.
Attached Thumbnails
756B9D8C-98FC-4D6C-8B42-13767534476C.jpg  
nmt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2023, 08:17 PM   #2
Guru
 
City: Montgomery
Vessel Name: Choices
Vessel Model: 36 Grand Banks Europa
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 766
They make a latex tile adhesive, premixed at HD.

Use it to skim coat plywood, it will waterproof plywood.

Once dry use same stuff to stick tile.

HD also has a water based epoxy grout that is pretty dang stain resistant to staining. I have never had a stain that did not clean with 409 & chlorox bleach.
__________________
36 Grand Banks Europa
Montgomery, TX
Blog: "grandbankschoices"
Choices is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2023, 08:42 PM   #3
Guru
 
mvweebles's Avatar
 
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 5,971
Waterproofing liquid membrane. I think Floor & Decor carries Mapei, but ask. There are competing products that work fine too.

https://www.mapei.com/us/en-us/mapelastic-aquadefense

Peter
__________________
M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Trawler
mvweebles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 06:34 AM   #4
Guru
 
fryedaze's Avatar
 
City: Solomons Island Md
Vessel Name: Fryedaze
Vessel Model: MC 42 (Overseas Co) Monk 42
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,639
Following
I want to do the same thing. I am looking at 2' x 2' granite or marble. The porcelain looks like another good choice.
__________________
Dave Frye
Fryedaze, MC 42 (Monk 42') 1989 Overseas Co
https://mvfryedaze.blogspot.com/
fryedaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 07:50 AM   #5
Guru
 
Datenight's Avatar
 
City: Groton, CT
Vessel Name: Datenight
Vessel Model: North Pacific 45
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,062
Use the Ditra. It will waterproof and take care of the one seam. Not sure how well thinset will adhere to epoxy.

How thick is the plywood? I'm sure you know it needs to have no flex esp. with big format tiles. If there is flex, can you add another "joist" under the ply? Be sure all adhesive is removed from the substrate before using the Ditra. Schluter will guarantee the the job if you use their adhesives.

Rob
__________________
North Pacific 45
Datenight is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 11:39 AM   #6
Moderator Emeritus
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
On our last boat I made a new countertop out of Corian. Made a pattern, routed the Corian and then glued it down with big dabs of silicone. Worked fine. You could probably just use silicone to glue your tiles down. If you put big dabs it will allow for some movement and fill any low spots. The silicone will stick to plywood.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 02:36 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
PhilPB's Avatar
 
City: West Palm Beach
Vessel Name: Sun Dog
Vessel Model: Mainship 34
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmt View Post
Hey all, Iíve removed the original laminate galley countertops on my Defever 41 and thinking about replacing them with two large format 2ft by 4ft tiles (cut to shape). Planning to use this brand because they are only 7mm thick, https://www.flooranddecor.com/maximo...v2=24%20x%2048. I donít want to go super thick. Any tile experts have some tips on how to install over the original plywood? I was thinking I could do a coat of epoxy over the plywood to waterproof it and then flexibond thinset. Or do I need a layer of Ditra to ensure there is no cracking? There will only be one seam and that will be hidden by the sink as the tiles are wide enough that it be just under the edge of it, see attached photo.

I looked at those same tiles for a backslash. They are incredibly delicate and chip very easily.
__________________
Phil
Sun Dog
1983 Mainship 34
PhilPB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 03:44 PM   #8
nmt
Veteran Member
 
City: Jersey City
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilPB View Post
I looked at those same tiles for a backslash. They are incredibly delicate and chip very easily.
Ah good to know. Did you end up returning them?
nmt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 03:44 PM   #9
nmt
Veteran Member
 
City: Jersey City
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 27
Thanks for all advice. Maybe corian is a better route if these are so delicate.
nmt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 03:47 PM   #10
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,991
Corian burns/stains with hot pots. Todayís trend is more towards quartzite, which holds up better, although not as good as true granite.
Mako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 03:55 PM   #11
nmt
Veteran Member
 
City: Jersey City
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Datenight View Post
Use the Ditra. It will waterproof and take care of the one seam. Not sure how well thinset will adhere to epoxy.

How thick is the plywood? I'm sure you know it needs to have no flex esp. with big format tiles. If there is flex, can you add another "joist" under the ply? Be sure all adhesive is removed from the substrate before using the Ditra. Schluter will guarantee the the job if you use their adhesives.

Rob
Itís 1/2 inch ply. Seems pretty well supported.

The challenge with quartz etc is Iím trying to not rip out my whole counter top so I need something thin (edge is capped with 1.5 inches of teak so donít want to build it up too much). I donít love laminate so would rather not go back that route. Tile seemed promising but worrying if it is that delicate. I guess I could get a bit thicker of a tile. But maybe Iím better off biting the bullet and taking the plywood and yeah edge off and putting in a thick piece of quartz etc.
nmt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 04:06 PM   #12
Moderator Emeritus
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako View Post
Corian burns/stains with hot pots. Todayís trend is more towards quartzite, which holds up better, although not as good as true granite.
Yes, but you can DIY Corian. Try to get someone other than a marine carpentry shop to do work on a boat. Home Depot, Lowes would not do it when I asked. I bought a solid surface material online. It works with standard woodworking tools. I made a pattern with strips of luan plywood. Transferred the strip pattern to a sheet of luan plywood. Then clamped the full size pattern to the solid surface and used a patterning bit in the router and cut the solid surface to size. Then used dabs of silicone to adhere the solid surface material in place.
Attached Thumbnails
AAF690F0-EC02-45B2-9EF2-BE774B7137A4.jpg   8BE23196-19B2-46A1-A76A-E5307E5F30EB.jpg   C90B08EF-FFCB-4573-8042-7028DC9439F7.jpg   94C035E3-0441-4F44-BB49-714489DD4C9E.jpg  
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 04:30 PM   #13
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,991
It looks like you hired frosty the snowman to install your counter! That one-piece really looks beautiful. Nice job.

No respirator - gotta take care of those lungs.
Mako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 04:32 PM   #14
nmt
Veteran Member
 
City: Jersey City
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave View Post
Yes, but you can DIY Corian. Try to get someone other than a marine carpentry shop to do work on a boat. Home Depot, Lowes would not do it when I asked. I bought a solid surface material online. It works with standard woodworking tools. I made a pattern with strips of luan plywood. Transferred the strip pattern to a sheet of luan plywood. Then clamped the full size pattern to the solid surface and used a patterning bit in the router and cut the solid surface to size. Then used dabs of silicone to adhere the solid surface material in place.
Nice work! What thickness corian did you use? Did you leave a gap for expansion?
nmt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 05:40 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
PhilPB's Avatar
 
City: West Palm Beach
Vessel Name: Sun Dog
Vessel Model: Mainship 34
Join Date: Oct 2021
Posts: 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmt View Post
Ah good to know. Did you end up returning them?
Didn't buy them. As I was handling them in the store I noticed chips on many of them. Also the first one I moved just barely touched the tile next to it and chipped. I installed glass.
I plan on installing tile on our countertop as well and plan to probably use 24" x 24 with the goal being one tile width from edge to backslash. The PO used an epoxy on the current top. I will scuff up the top, put 1-2coats of Zinser 123 primer, then apply the tile with adhesive (probably Lexel) I've successfully used it with tile and stone, works incredibly well. I have used the primer as an adhesive grabber more than a few times successfully with no failures.
__________________
Phil
Sun Dog
1983 Mainship 34
PhilPB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 05:41 PM   #16
Guru
 
Datenight's Avatar
 
City: Groton, CT
Vessel Name: Datenight
Vessel Model: North Pacific 45
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,062
Quote:
Originally Posted by nmt View Post
Nice work! What thickness corian did you use? Did you leave a gap for expansion?
Quarter inch thickness would be fine with a solid plywood base.

The tile is most vulnerable to chipping during cutting. Be sure it is well supported.

Another option is 3/4Ē granite. Often available at surplus building supply stores. Comes in sheets five feet long by thirty inches (if I recall) wide. I used that in the green boat. Can post photos if you like.

Rob
__________________
North Pacific 45
Datenight is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 06:10 PM   #17
Moderator Emeritus
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
It was 1/2Ē. We left a very small gap between the solid surface and the fiddles on the countertop. Then filled it with a gray color caulk. It looked great when we were done. The problem with a lot of fabricators is they donít have insurance to work on boats. I believe it may be related to the Jones Act, at least that was what one of them told me. On a previous boat, about 10 boats ago, we tried to find someplace like Home Depot to come and do the solid surface work. Finally had to get a marine woodworker and his prices were more than the top of the line granite then for solid surface. So on our last boat I decided to DIY it. The problem is finding a source that will sell you solid surface material. I found one in Tucson that sold to DIY.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 06:26 PM   #18
Guru
 
mvweebles's Avatar
 
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 5,971
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako View Post
Corian burns/stains with hot pots. Todayís trend is more towards quartzite, which holds up better, although not as good as true granite.
I like Corian a lot. Like Comodave, I DIY mine over 20 years ago and it's held up well (actually, was a competing product that was easier to source). I've never had the issue of burning or scorching Mako highlights. One thing that works well is it doesn't chip glassware nearly as easily as stone or quartz.

30 years ago I did tile counters on the Uniflite 42 I lived aboard. It was pretty easy. Scuffed the laminate witb 60-grit and it held together just fine. Tile inherently looks DIY though.

On Weebles for her refit, I again with Corian, this time with molded in sinks. They do get some staining that requires Soft Scrub for cleaning, but again, a very forgiving surface.

I bypassed re-installing fiddle rails when I did the work 20+ years ago. Did not miss them so didn't do it this time either. A damp paper towel beneath plates and pots keeps them pretty sticky on the counter.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Peter
__________________
M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Trawler
mvweebles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 07:09 PM   #19
Guru
 
City: Seattle
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,991
"One thing that works well is it doesn't chip glassware nearly as easily as stone or quartz."

Interesting that you bring that up, because I've noticed that also, especially compared with tile or granite, which is hard as a rock. I suppose the Corian has just a small amount of give to it.
Mako is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2023, 07:10 PM   #20
Moderator Emeritus
 
Comodave's Avatar
 
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
I got mine at solidsurface.com.
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you arenít one, there is no explanation possible.
Comodave is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Trawler Port Captains
Port Captains are TF volunteers who can serve as local guides or assist with local arrangements and information. Search below to locate Port Captains near your destination. To learn more about this program read here: TF Port Captain Program





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012